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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4138 days)  Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
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That is correct, we are looking at known facts that are not raw data. They are facts nonetheless, the way facts in accurate histories are facts. Napoleon was a real human being who headed real wars in the name of a real national entity. Alexander the Great was a real human being who made tremendous conquests of a huge swath of territory in the name of Greece. That sort of fact.
yes but we have evidence other than just the written word, we have artifacts and bones as well and buildings
OFF TOPIC BELOW THE PURPLE BOX - Please Do Not Respond to the remainder of this message or continue in this vein. AdminPD here is nothing that requires interpretation in the facts given concerning the Flood. Noah was 600 years old when the Flood was upon the earth. Nothing to interpret there, it’s a statement of fact. It rained for forty days and forty night. Straight factual statement, no interpretation required.
how is a fact? you have nothing showing this as true, its a myth to teach people about things. its not factual, how do you verify this?
This is ridiculous really. The reports in the Bible were written by many different authors, most of them witnesses, who corroborate each other’s reports in their own. There were others who did not write reports who could have if there was something to dispute in these.
this is not true, mark wasn't a witness, neither was luke or matthew,nether was john, the gospels haven't been shown to be written by the people who they claimed they were.nore has moses been shown to have written any part of the torah, this is just a belief, the text doesn't even show this, it talks about his death even, but of course..it was written by someone else, apologetics are so much fun If God told it, He certainly would have made sure it got passed down accurately. But the veracity of the stories of creation and the flood is buttressed by the many factual reference points: who begat whom and how long he lived, and what age Noah was when the flood was on the earth, and who begat whom after the flood and so on, facts which were probably rehearsed regularly in that ancient oral tradition. There is nothing general or vague about the telling. The exact dimensions of the ark are given. There is an unusual degree of specificity in this story as compared to other ancient stories. And the others may likely have some truth in them too, but it is drowned in vagueness and embellishments by comparison with the Genesis accounts.
yes and i could show you the linage of other religions that show the same thing. vaguemess? embellishments? genesis has a guy kill a thousand people with a jaw bone and you call other myths embellished?you shouldn't throw stones in a glass house faith. you just think yours is somehow special but i've read plenty of myths that are just as factual seeming. if you want i can find some, that is if you care about being truthful Actually, the amazing fact that there are so many ancient stories of a gigantic flood is unbelievably strong corroboration. The attempts to reduce them all to local floods, as if they all just happened to experience these memorable local floods about the same time that made this huge impact on their consciousness, apart from all the OTHER big floods they must also have experienced over the millennia, is really laughable.
see this is the thing, the only myths that agree or relate to the genesis flood is ones in the area of israel, and the hebrews wrote about the same flood that happened locallyif you read any other flood myths, they are nothing like the hebrew one, unless missionaries effected them Oden, Vili, and Ve fought and slew the great ice giant Ymir, and icy water from his wounds drowned most of the Rime Giants. The giant Bergelmir escaped, with his wife and children, on a boat made from a hollowed tree trunk. From them rose the race of frost ogres. Ymir's body became the world we live on. His blood became the oceans.
from T.O.Flood Stories from Around the World does that resemble the genesis flood? if you think so i'm going to start thinking you are insane 
he ocean was once enclosed in a small pot kept by a man and his wife under the roof of their hut to fill their larger pots. The man told his daughter-in-law never to touch it because it contained their sacred ancestors. But she grew curious and touched it. It shattered, and the resulting flood drowned everything.
how about this one? the fact is people fear water since they can die in it, but people need water to survive, if you live near an area with a large flooding source of water, you will most likely make up a story about water or rain
In any case, the actual INFLUENCE of Jesus Christ on millions since his time is astronomically far beyond that of any other historical figure.
which is an argument from majority and meaningless, since just to tell you if it wasn't for the roman empire inforcing belief after constitine converted i doubt it would have taken hold, even with people going out to pagan areas
Well, there were thousands then, but it shouldn’t be hard to find other historical personages who were only known in their small circles, not known by millions, whose fame spread beyond their own circles only after their death, people we have no problem believing existed. Probably even Napoleon himself wasn’t known as widely during his life as he was later.
umm no napoleon would have been well known considering what he did, he freed france then fought a majority of european powers
"The Napoleonic Code was adopted throughout much of Europe and remained in force after Napoleon's defeat. Professor Dieter Langewiesche of the University of Tbingen describes the code as a "revolutionary project" which spurred the development of bourgeois society in Germany by expanding the right to own property and breaking the back of feudalism
so yes he had a huge influence during his lifetime, he didn't die before they changed how warfare was foughtsorry if this is OT, but i wanted to point-out that claiming this is silly when you have no evidence PORTIONS OF THIS MSG ARE OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to the off topic portions of this message or continue in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning
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