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Message 4 of 36 (93345)
03-19-2004 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by FliesOnly
03-19-2004 9:10 AM

Well, I don't know anything about their lecture, but you might want to know a bit about the protagonists.

In the first place, Cornerstone U is an ultra-religious YEC fundy Christian School (see their Statement of Faith). It's a small (~2000 students) private school. It IS accredited by the DoE Commission on Higher Education, so it's not a Patriot U type of place. However, a glance at their course catalog for science makes one wonder if any of their graduates ever get a real job. A couple of examples:

SCI 100 Foundations of Scientific Inquiry 4/1
This course is designed to introduce students to the role and importance of the sciences in studying God’s general revelation in both nature and themselves. A Christian philosophy of science is developed that demonstrates to the student the utility and value as well as the limitations of the natural and social sciences as tools for the empirical investigation of God’s creation. Through both classroom and laboratory experience, the student is introduced to the scientific method as a means of knowing from the perspective of a Christian worldview. Integrated lecture and lab.

BIO 241 Anatomy and Physiology I 4/2
A systems approach to the structure and function of the human body with special emphasis on disease process as it relates to dysfunction along with practical applications for a life-style of healthful living. Includes integumentary, skeletal, muscular, nervous, and endocrine systems. Laboratory experiences will use microscopic and lab animal investigation. Stresses the homeostatic function and intricacy of the body and its analogies to the Body of Christ, the Church. Lecture and lab. This course satisfies the core requirement for Lab Science.

SCI 111 Physical Science 4/1
Introduction to the explanation and understanding of the natural, non-living world. The processes of information gathering and organizing will be stressed as they relate to the fields of physics, chemistry, geology and astronomy. Emphasis will be given to the biblical framework for each of these disciplines. Lecture and lab. This course satisfies the core requirement for Lab Science.

The traveling circus that's coming is composed of one supposed biologist (Crompton), an organic chemist (Fryling), and a theologian (Meyers). These guys do have good educational backgrounds in their fields, although I can't find out specifics about Crompton, which is suspicious in itself as the others aren't shy about what their degrees are in. Here's their education:


B. Sc.(hons), Victoria University of Manchester, England
M. Sc., Victoria University of Manchester, England
Ph. D., Justus Liebig Universitaet, Giessen, Germany
D. Sc., Universitaet Zuerich, Zurich, Switzerland


Th. B. (Bachelor of Theology), Baptist Bible Seminary
B. A. Harpur College, SUNY at Binghamton
M. A. Syracuse University
Th. M. (Master of Theology), Western Theological Seminary
Ph.D. in Philosophy, Syracuse University


B. S. in Chemistry, US Air Force Academy
M. S. in Organic Chemistry, University of Arizona
Ph.D. in Organic Chemistry, University of Arizona

An interesting quote from Crompton:

The overwhelming benefit of teaching at Cornerstone after coming from secular academia is to be able to teach and reason about God's handiwork from a Biblical perspective rather than being expected and even required to teach it from a godless standpoint.

You might be able to get some ideas from the above. Figure on them playing either a Gish Gallop or a Ham humor+rapid-fire-evangelizing approach. I doubt they're going to be open to questions, but I'll bet they're quick with the facile answers. Let us know how it comes out.

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Message 6 of 36 (93347)
03-19-2004 10:32 AM
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03-19-2004 10:22 AM

Ack, you're right. Here's the corrected cv:

B. A. in Chemistry & Mathematics, Cedarville University
M. S. in Biochemistry - The Ohio State University

Who'd have thunk there would be a Ron Mayers and a Ron Meyers teaching at the same school? The cv I posted was Mayers with an "A".

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