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Author Topic:   Justification of Science?
Dragoness
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Message 1 of 39 (406649)
06-21-2007 5:24 PM


Hi there. I am brand new here so I hope I am doing this right. I specifically sought out a forum like this and I hope its the right place to discuss this topic.
In another discussion today someone said
"it is interesting to see the ways that science backs up religious commands (like circing on day 8 when clotting factor is highest) but some feel like it is using science to justify G-d's commandments when in reality, G-d's commandments should be used to justify science, know what I mean?"
The converation was originally about the reasons behind circumcision.
But that statement got me thinking. I have never considered before that people thought that God can justify science, I always viewed it in another light. I would like to open a discussion about the statement and get a more diverse set of opinions on it.
Is that possible?

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Dragoness
Member (Idle past 6088 days)
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From: SLT, CA
Joined: 06-21-2007


Message 4 of 39 (406814)
06-22-2007 2:43 PM


Well I must say that I didn't mean for that statment alone to be the basis for the discussion, just a jumping off place. It seems that as I ventured into the Religion forum at the mommy board I belong to I have noticed that many many people seem to believe that God and the Bible justify everything in science and space and that to believe that science stands for itself is considered "wrong"
The 8 day clotting factor thing was just one such example. It was argued that the REASON boys are circumsized at 8 days after birth is because the clotting factors are at their highest, therefore science justifying God's word. On the other hand it was argued that in the Jewish Faith (the belief in question) the 8th day is very scared and THAT is the reason for circumcision on the 8th day and there is in fact no scientific reason.
I was hoping to discuss the differences in beliefs. Does science speak for itself, or does everything in sciece somehow get justified by God's word?
I was also hoping that the many seeming knowledgable people here could share their views on that because it was the first time I have ever even heard that science was anything other than science.
(Sorry if I am scatterbrained, I have 3 kids under 5, so I am no where near as technical as most of the people here but I promise I'm not dumb!)

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Dragoness
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Posts: 51
From: SLT, CA
Joined: 06-21-2007


Message 7 of 39 (406892)
06-22-2007 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Admin
06-22-2007 8:25 PM


Thanks. I am certainly NOT a creationist, but I am a mom and not a scientist. I have no college education so my knowledge is somewhat limited, but I love to learn. When I wrote the question I was really not sure who made up this forum and was trying not to offend either side. I'm on the science side, lol.
As for finding the time. Well right now my two youngest are sleeping and my oldest is watching cartoons, so I am slacking on the internet rather than cleaning... oops. Usually though I eat my meals at the computer desk and use that time to review message boards and check my email. This results in a lot of spelling errors from typing one handed, so I apologize in advance.
I am hoping to gain some valuable insigt to the topic though. I really had NO idea that Creationists (or religious people ) really thought that God justifies science... like everything on this eatch is ruled by God. I just don;t buy that. And at risk of offending someone (because I know it offends my own husband) I actually laughed at loud at the notion of it.

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Dragoness
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Message 9 of 39 (406902)
06-22-2007 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Minnemooseus
06-22-2007 9:53 PM


Re: God jusifies science?
Well thats what I typed, but its not MY opinion at all. Its the opinion I want to discuss.
The person who made the comments was implying that everything we know in science can be justified by God in some way. So nothing is just science or fact, but everything was done that way BY God for a reason.
I don't buy it at all. But I wanted to see what others had to say about it.

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Dragoness
Member (Idle past 6088 days)
Posts: 51
From: SLT, CA
Joined: 06-21-2007


Message 12 of 39 (406913)
06-22-2007 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Discreet Label
06-22-2007 10:43 PM


You have interpretd my post correctly, I'm not so great with words these days. I think I went and had too many kids and lost some of my IQ

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Dragoness
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Message 14 of 39 (406932)
06-23-2007 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Monk
06-22-2007 11:57 PM


Re: Faith
Nothing, but since I was mistaken for one at one point I wanted to clearly state who I am and who I am not. My husband is the Creationist in this family, not me.
Not sure where it is I said there was anything wrong with being a Creationist other than the fact that I don't agree with it as much as Creationists don't agree with me.

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Dragoness
Member (Idle past 6088 days)
Posts: 51
From: SLT, CA
Joined: 06-21-2007


Message 21 of 39 (407024)
06-23-2007 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Percy
06-23-2007 9:28 AM


Re: Faith
Dragoness writes:
My husband is the Creationist in this family, not me.
quote:
I wonder how often this happens. Is this just a friendly difference of opinion between you, or more than that? Is the creationist position also a religious position for your husband and he wants to raise your children in the local evangelical church, or is it just that he doesn't accept evolution? Does he know you're hobnobbing with heretics and atheists in your spare moments?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Well yes he knows, its not like I have this secret life from him. We share 2 different beliefs. My husband does not attend church and so its a non-issue. If he wants to teach our kids about God so-be-it, so long as he knows I will teach evolution as well. We believe it is up to our children to choose their own path with the tools we have provided.
As fas as he goes, he accepts evolution on a smaller scale. I believe the term is Theistic (spelling?)

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Dragoness
Member (Idle past 6088 days)
Posts: 51
From: SLT, CA
Joined: 06-21-2007


Message 24 of 39 (407032)
06-23-2007 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
06-23-2007 2:13 PM


Re: Faith
Well if you want my TRUE opinion its that my husband is CONFUSED, but hey... I live with him.
He believes in Creation, though not literally (no young earth, not in 6-7 days etc) but also believes that evolution exists, just his answer seems to change on this pretty often.

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