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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
quote: Evolutionists can't get their story straight! from reading on this website and other discussions there are many varying views on precisely how everything happened including the beginning of life, beginning (or lack of beginning) of the universe, just to name some of the most obvious! A YEC can get their basic overall structure straight because it's written down for everyone to see, and has been on paper for thousands of years!Your sentence could just as easily read: Evolutionists can't get their story straight. This is, of course, because they know what they need to deny (i.e.God)--- but knowing that they need to deny the facts of biology gives them no clue as to what they should claim to be true.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
quote:Yes!! I agree quote:see this is the thing I don't understand. This is a pretty standard definition of evolution on this forum (and in a sense I agree that the word can have that meaning), however this forum is not called: change in biological populations over time due to mutation and natural selection vs Creation. If this were the case then nobody would be on here, as a change in biological populations over time due to mutation and natural selection is a vital part of creation theory. The two are not opposed. In commen language when you mention the debate creation vs Evolution to someone the thought is (or should be if they have some knowledge of the history of the debate): Old universe and old earth where life originated as a simple single celled organism which through various processes proceeded to give us the diversity of life that we have today VS Comparitively young earth, Creation by God of various kinds of organisms which diversified to the diversity of life we have today, most fossils laid down by a catastrophic world wide flood. yes, I know that there are many people who combine various parts of the two philosopies but basically these two philosophies are the main competitors. Are there really any creationists on this forum who believe that God directly creates each and every species? Please show me, as I have not seen or heard of any.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
quote:See post above. quote:hmm...Not sure what you are saying here. I am sure you have some sort of stance on the existance of the universe, the origin of life, even if it is exclusion of some stances such as biblical creation. Everybody does as far as I know. In fact most peole post on here because they have a stance, they may not have worked out all the details, but they still have a stance.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
to Dr Adequate
Yikes!! Is this some sort of scare tactic to stop me from posting or trying to make me crawl up into a corner and cry? Please explain how I am lying. Maybe you didn't understand what I was trying to say so hopefully my latest posts will help. Your reply confuses me as it seems to be more of a hate post then anything helpful. Yes, you have been posting on this forum for a long time however this doesn't mean that you are somehow automatically superior to me on the topic of Creation vs Evolution.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
On the comment about evolutionists denying God:
Ok maybe that comment was a bit excessive. It is true of some evolutionists but I guess not all. Edited by Arphy, : Just added the top line to show what i was responding to.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
quote:What???, I think you have misunderstood the position of creationists and IDers. In fact creationists do accept mutations just not the notion of information increasing beneficial mutations, there is a difference between the two. Just because my nickname is Arphy doesn't refute my argument.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
quote:The problem here is that we view the process differently. We do not say that there are limits to evolutionary change but that this change is degenerative rather then producing more and more complex organisms and systems.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
quote:how so? quote:As I said before, it may not apply to all evolutionists, but to some, so no, it is not outright falsehood. Maybe I should have used "e.g." instead of "i.e." to have avoided the confusion. However, you can not honestly say that no evolutionist on this forum has ever said something that was a bit hyperbolic.
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Arphy Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 185 From: New Zealand Joined: |
First thanks for being a bit more civil, it is really refreshing
quote:Yip, true (although depends on how you define evolve, but you know my position on that already). quote:No evidence doesn't lie. Yes to testing the validity of an argument by how completly it explains all the evidence. quote:Absolutly True. Same goes for any other person on earth whether creationist, evolutionist, or ...ist. quote:Thanks, I'll go have a look. quote:hmm... as you can guess i disagree with this statement. An example is the prediction made by Russell Humphreys a creationist using a creation model, He predicted the strength of the magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune. These were then proven correct by Voyager II, unlike any of the secular predictions. Edited by Arphy, : oops, typo.
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