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CK
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Message 247 of 305 (432464)
11-06-2007 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by IamJoseph
11-06-2007 3:15 AM


RE: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE.
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The first applicable factor here is: is evolution a universal constant? Are its features universal factors, such as adaptation and speciation: would organism learn to adapt to other conditions outside earth; would viruses on pluto evolve to zebras and humans, or similar life forms? Yes/no; why yes/no?
Evolution does not occur in a (ahem) vacuum - one of the factors that is often overlooked in those sorts of discussions is that of gravity - if the gravity was only marginally 'stronger' or 'weaker', then life on earth would look radically different. Gravity is far weaker on pluto.
Here is some other information about pluto:
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Pluto's atmosphere consists of a thin envelope of nitrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide, derived from the ices on its surface.[44] As Pluto moves away from the Sun, its atmosphere gradually freezes and falls to the ground. As it edges closer to the Sun, the temperature of Pluto's solid surface increases, causing the ices to sublimate into gas. This creates an anti-greenhouse effect; much like sweat cools the body as it evaporates from the surface of the skin, this sublimation has a cooling effect on the surface of Pluto. Scientists have recently discovered,[45] by use of the Submillimeter Array, that Pluto's temperature is 10 kelvins colder than expected.
Why would you expect something in those conditions to evolve to look like a zebra or a human?

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CK
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Message 250 of 305 (432468)
11-06-2007 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by IamJoseph
11-06-2007 5:42 AM


Is this a joke thread?
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So *Adaptation* works only on harsh earthly conditions!?
Are you really comfortable with that, and does it mean it is thereby not possible for life to exist, emerge or evolve elsewhere [different conditions], or do you mean, other reasonably similar to earth conditions would surely result in life? I mean, the premise of adaptation has to have some substance, else it becomes superfluous, and having nothing whatsoever to do with the term describing it.
Expect he never said that - he said that a virus would not evolve to a human or a zebra on Pluto - that's not the same as saying evolutionary processes would only occur on the earth.
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Further, what enables the virus or inanimate products to appreciate which is the right conditions: they must be able to see both and differenciate? If the conditions are not right in Pluto, can they see that in another galaxy the right conditions prevail, and would they mirgrate there, as do birds and animals here?
Is this a joke? viruses flying at warp speed to other galaxies?
If this is not a joke, I'm afraid your grasp of basic science is too weak to make this a productive discussion.

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CK
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Message 271 of 305 (432625)
11-07-2007 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by IamJoseph
11-07-2007 4:48 AM


Your posts do not seem to make any sense - we have a communication problem.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
You seem to be suggesting that adapation must be false because life that does not exist does not show adapation.
I think we all agree that things that do not exist do not show evidence of evolution.
Edited by CK, : title

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