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Author Topic:   How can Biologists believe in the ToE?
jar
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Message 32 of 304 (393473)
04-05-2007 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by ICANT
04-05-2007 10:05 AM


Re: Re-Questions
All of these questions pretain to why I don't see how anyone can believe in the ToE.
Yet you continue to repeat falsehoods?
You have been told.
No one "believes" in the Theory of Evolution", it is simply the best explanation to date for the evidence seen.
There is ZERO evidence for some God poofing fully formed critters into existence.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 125 of 304 (420110)
09-06-2007 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by nator
09-06-2007 7:32 AM


Re: don't let Vashgun get us off topic
Do you really think that the hundreds of thousands of scientists who have been advancing our understanding Biology over the last 150 years at the most astonishing pace have all just been deluded?
The problem is, the answer is "Certainly, it is possible at the very least."
We can look around and find examples of hundreds of thousands of people so deluded that they believe there was a world-wide flood as an example, so it is certainly possible that all those hundreds of thousands of scientists might be deluded.
Looking at the question, the answer has to be "Yes they could all be deluded."
BUT...
in the case of biology and genetics we also have other physical evidence; the things they develop work.
The things that biologists and geneticists develop work, unlike prayer hankies or faith healing where they only "work" if the user has a certain "faith and belief" and ignores contrary data, but instead work regardless of the users beliefs and including contrary data.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 143 of 304 (420303)
09-07-2007 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Q
09-07-2007 8:33 AM


On the Periodic Table.
Remember the leading scientists of the days years ago thought the world was flat until shown other wise, there was only so many elements of The Periodic Table of Elements, until found otherwise ( Bromine (Br) atomic number 35 for instance ) and those were all facts in there days.
I found it interesting that you brought up the Periodic Table, because it is a classic example of how science does work and why the Scientific Method (TOE) is far more likely to be right than ID or Biblical Creationism.
The important thing about Mendeleev's Table was that it had gaps and reordered many of the placements of elements in earlier attempts at creating a table. He took another series of steps based on the reasoning behind his arrangement and predicted two things; that when the elements he reordered were examined with greater precision the then accepted atomic weights for those elements would be found to be wrong; and that elements would be found to fill in his blanks and even what the properties of each of those elements would be.
I cannot overstate the importance of those actions. He presented a model that explained what was already known, and was also useful for making predictions about what would be learned in the future. In addition, as more was learned we found that the new elements discovered were exactly as he predicted and that the atomic weights of those he rearranged were as he predicted.
His model explained what was seen as well as what would be discovered. It went even further and provided the basis for us to create NEW elements, ones not found on earth, with a high degree of confidence of what their properties would be even before we created them.
The Periodic Table is a great example of why the TOE is valuable and ID and Biblical Creationism are worthless.
The value of the TOE has been in helping us understand what is seen, but in also providing the basis for future discoveries. What we have learned from the TOE has let us make predictions, and so far those predictions have been born out by each new discovery.
ID and Biblical Creationism have no predictive potential. There is nothing there to form our basis. A good example is in ID. When based on the evidence seen in living things it is pointed out that the I in ID should stand for Inept or Incompetent or Inelegant or Inscrutable or Ignorant we are told that we cannot know the Intent of the Designer. Well sorry, if we cannot know the Intent of the Designer then we cannot predict what the Designer will do. If that is the case then the ID concept is worthless.
The same argument is applicable to Biblical Creationism. The two (actually they are really just one) schools of thought are simply worthless.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 289 of 304 (440492)
12-13-2007 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by AreWeNotMen?
12-13-2007 12:13 PM


Welcome home.
Pull up a stump and set a spell. Keep your feet to the fire and the smoke never gets in your eyes.
We need a thread on the Dover Cliffs. Can we get you to start one in the Proposed New Topics forum and shepherd it?

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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