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Granny Magda
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Message 271 of 304 (440233)
12-12-2007 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by LucyTheApe
12-12-2007 6:02 AM


Re: Integrity
Hi Lucy,
I have to take objection to this I'm afraid;
LucyTheApe writes:
Where's the integrity in filing down a pigs tooth to make it look half human to support a floundering theory.
Is that what you imagine the average scientist does with their day? You say that as though deliberately creating fakes is standard practise.
I assume that you are referencing the "Piltdown Man" hoax (if not, please put me right).
There is no proof that Piltdown man was created by a scientist. It was almost certainly the work of "discoverer" Charles Dawson, who was an amateur, not a professional scientist.
Also, your contention that the hoax was intended "to support a floundering theory" is baseless. A more likely motive is that Dawson sought personal aggrandisement. He also traded in fakes, swapping them for genuine items. Plenty of motive there.
The way creationists bring up Piltdown is rather sad. The actions of one dishonest man no more disgrace the whole of science than the scandals around Ted Haggard disgrace the whole of religion. Constantly reviving the spectre of Piltdown is pathetic, and does nothing to advance your argument.
The overwhelming majority of scientists are honest. If this is not n the case, please feel free to show me the mountains of faked evidences that surely must abound.
Questioning the integrity of hundreds of thousands of professional men and women around the globe is insulting and intellectually dishonest. It certainly does not reflect well upon your own integrity. Do yourself a favour and withdraw your comment, which is essentially a libel upon every scientist alive.

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Granny Magda
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Message 295 of 304 (440689)
12-14-2007 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by LucyTheApe
12-13-2007 9:09 PM


Re: Integrity
If you want to talk about integrity, what about the integrity of Mr Abraham waiting until he had been appointed before mentioning his disbelief in evolution? That hardly seems fair.
If I were to apply for a post as a preacher (just for example) and I didn't believe in God, wouldn't it seem reasonable to mention this at the interview?
From your link,it seems clear that the central role of evolution in the work Abraham was taking on, was made absolutely clear. He should have mentioned it. The role of the project was not to ask "Is evolution real or not?", it was to study the effects of evolution, a tricky proposition if you don't believe in it. The guy specifically asked to be made exempt from performing key areas of his work. This is why he was fired, not because of his beliefs.
Frankly, you have to question the competence of a practising biologist who doesn't accept evolution. It's the only game in town.
According to the Boston Globe, Abraham now works for "Liberty University, a Christian university in Lynchburg, Va., founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell". What a surprise. Link here;
http://www.boston.com/news/,,,/biologist_fired_for_beliefs_suit_says/
I wonder about the integrity of Abraham's lawyer as well, because this case is a stinker. He is bound to lose.
Edited by Admin, : Shorten link.

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