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Agobot
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Message 11 of 249 (491882)
12-23-2008 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by platypus
04-22-2008 10:37 PM


platypus writes:
My point is the word theory is not as sacred or as clear in science as we make it out to be.
"One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have"
A.E.

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Agobot
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Message 16 of 249 (491912)
12-24-2008 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by erikp
12-24-2008 5:03 AM


erikp writes:
Theories go from unprovenly false to provenly false. Scientific progress is the result of proving that what we know is wrong.
As soon as someone finally finds an observation that contradicts the theory, the theory will finally be proven to be false, because proof of falsehood only requires one observation that contradicts the theory.
This may hold true only about certain theories - multiverse, 10 dimensions, baby universes, quantum darwinism, eternal universe, infinite universe, etc. The structure of the world is elusive and crazy, but not so crazy as to be completely unknowable. Have you been on an airplane? How does that jive with your theory that nothing is fixed and certain? I imagine you would never board something that stays airborne on incorrect physical principles and theories.
The mere fact that the universe appears to have existed for 13.7 billion years is a good indication that its structure is solid and fixed and quite possibly knowable. That doesn't mean that all of our theories are correct, but that there most certainly is a path for us to follow. It is my belief that this path will yield us the answers we are looking for.

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Agobot
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Message 18 of 249 (491919)
12-24-2008 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by erikp
12-24-2008 5:34 AM


erikp writes:
The safety of an airplane is vested in the fact that it is very hard to prove that the airplane is actually unsafe. The safety of an airplane, however, has never been and will never be proven.
No. It's still the safest mode of mass travel, read the statistics.
erikp writes:
All these theories are incorrect. Science as a whole must necessarily be incorrect. The value of science, however, derives from the fact that it is very hard to prove that it is incorrect; and that nobody has been able to do it up till now, for the existing body of science.
If you want to say something - say it outright, even if it's the most radical thing in the world. Is your point that there is no fundamental reality but an endless chain of transforamtions - like the idea that matter was fundamental, then energy, later information, ...?

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