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Author Topic:   Using the Bible as a Starting point for Scientific questions
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Message 11 of 44 (205048)
05-04-2005 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Jor-el
05-04-2005 4:26 PM


There is no Theory of Creation.

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Message 13 of 44 (205062)
05-04-2005 8:39 PM
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05-04-2005 8:33 PM


You can discuss religious beliefs in any of the non-science forums. But there is NO Way to introduce theology into a science discussion. That does not negate belief, many of us are believers, but the Bible is no use when it comes to science.

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Message 22 of 44 (205314)
05-05-2005 2:44 PM
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05-05-2005 1:32 PM


How come believers completely reject the ideas put forth in the theory of evolution and inversely why can't non-believers accept the possibility of the existence of something they can't experience with their 5 senses?
First, both of those statement are wrong.
I am a believer. I do not reject the ideas put forth in the theory of evolution. That is also true of EVERY major Christian Church in the world and of Every other Faith. Believers have no problems with the TOE.
Granted some believers have problems but when we discuss it with them invariably we find they are ignorant of what the TOE means and covers.
Your second question is "why can't non-believers accept the possibility of the existence of something they can't experience with their 5 senses?" Again, many do. What they say is you can't test it objectively. And that's correct. You cannot test what cannot be experienced.

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Message 33 of 44 (205352)
05-05-2005 4:53 PM
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05-05-2005 4:36 PM


While you may find it hard to believe, it's true. The Roman Catholic Church, the Episcopal Church, the Anglican Church, the Presbyterian Churches, the Methodist Church, the Luthern Church and many, many more support teaching the TOE and oppose teaching Creationism.
Sorry but almost all Christian churches have no problems with the TOE.

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Message 37 of 44 (205365)
05-05-2005 5:11 PM
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05-05-2005 5:05 PM


Yes, it probably should have the 'c' in churches capitalized to differentiate from the small independant sects. I would say though that the position of the Church is not always representative of the belief system of the church-goers. Even within the Anglican Communion we have our share of ignorant parishioners.
But, IMHO, the answer is not to exclude education and exposure but rather to increase it. It is only through discussions as found here and other places that progress can be made.
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Message 41 of 44 (205398)
05-05-2005 7:19 PM
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05-05-2005 6:46 PM


The authors of that might want to review JP II's position. LOL
Leo XIII died in 1903. In the over 100 years since then one or two things have been discovered, including the whole science and knowledge base of Genetics. More recent Popes have outlined much different views including the last two and the current Pope is sure to expand that even further.
There are folk in all religions that make fools of themselves, and the Roman Catholic Church is no exception. But the current Official position of the RC is in support of the TOE.
Read the address from the late John Paul found here.

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