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almeyda
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Message 6 of 47 (108139)
05-14-2004 4:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dan Carroll
05-13-2004 1:31 PM


The rules of the game
A leading evolutionary scientist Richard Dickerson, an authority in chemical evolution said "Science, fundamentally is a game. It is a game with one overriding and defining rule. Rule No.1: Let us see how far and to what extent we can explain the behaviour of the physical and material universe in terms of purely physical and material causes, without invoking the supernatural". So evolutionary science isnt necessarily a search for truth as we are usually told but a game which science try to find naturalistic causes even for the origin of the universe and everything inside no matter how complex.
ALTERNATIVES OUTLAWED!
Rule No.2: Doctrinaire evolutionists insist there is evidence for evolution because any alternative is outlawed by the rules. In other words its natural selection or a creator. There is no middle ground. This is why Darwinists,evolutionists cling on to their natural selection. To do otherwise would be to admit the probability that there is design in nature. Therefore a creator. (So any evidence against evolution is not even considered.)
Rule No.3: The 3rd rule of this game of evolutionary science seems to be to insist that all scientist, by definition are evolutionists. Even though thousands of scientist believe not in evolution but in creation and they also have post graduate degrees in science and also pursue careers in science. These men are commonly ignored or ridiculed or even denied status as scientists by the evolutionary establishment. So the game plan is pretty much this. Believe in evolution or get out. No matter what credentials they may have. In their view scientists cannot be creationists without forfeiting their status as scientist.
Rule 4: Do not let creationists become scientist at all!. An IOWA state University engineering professor once stated "As a matter of fact, creationism should be discriminated against. No advocate of such propaganda should be trusted to teach science classes or administer science programs anywhere or under any circumstances. More over if any are now doing so, they should be dismissed"
Rule 5: Fail creationists!. Another IOWA professor said any professor (lecturer) should have the right to fail any student in his class, no matter what the grade record indicates if that profesor discovers the student is a creationist. Further more the students department should have the right of retracting grades and possibly even degrees if the student becomes a creationist later
THIS IS INDEED QUITE A GAME SOME PEOPLE ARE PLAYING. So whats the plan of the game in a nutshell? Well i guess the supreme rule is to stiffle arguments against evolution ANY WAY YOU CAN!.
Games Some People Play | Answers in Genesis
Presuppositions in the Classroom | Answers in Genesis

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almeyda
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Message 10 of 47 (108181)
05-14-2004 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dan Carroll
05-14-2004 10:22 AM


Re: The rules of the game
Every thing at AiG is rejected by evolutionists. Theres real scientist working there. But there work is rejected because it doesnt fit an evolutionary framework. What excuse could you possibly have against this?. Its real science real evidence but not evolutionary. And this reason only is why it is rejected. It does not fit the opinion of evolutionists which say only naturalism can explain the earth. Evolution is a natural form of science. Its not general science. Moreover its historical science which relies heavily on interpretation of evidence.

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almeyda
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Message 13 of 47 (108187)
05-14-2004 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by jar
05-14-2004 11:21 AM


Re: The rules of the game
Evolutionists are the ones taking you for a ride. Continually having to rethink theories. Never ever having truth while all along Gods word stands tall. The beginning of life is a problem and a half with evolutionists. Even one cell is too complex to arise on its own. Its nothing but your imagination and the opinion of an evolutionist. Yet they still claim against all odds that life arose spontaneously. I remember reading those quotes i wrote in another thread. Evolutionists speaking of evolution as a fairy story for adults. Everything you see you use natural selection for but natural selection continually shows that it has limited variation. Choosing from genetic information already present. Charles Darwin got it right when he described his great work as "too hypothetical". Mutations are used to describe evolution aswell but this shows loss of information and frequently do the subject more harm than good.
What else is there? Theres also missing links. Why if everything evolved from a common origin why do we not find billions of fossils of creatures which were transitional?. Although billions have been discovered not one undisputed "in-between link" has turned up. All living organism seem to have appeared abrubtly with no series of fossil forms leading up to them, just about all have remained unchanged since they first appeared. You all say well fossilization is a rare thing. So where is this evidence coming from??? EVOLUTIONARY IMAGINATION!...Gods word never changes and fits the evidence beautifully as AiG shows. Although the world has evolutionized including scientific communities,universities,media,school. It has given rise to the anti creationists wave. Evolution does nothing but run into more and more trouble as scientific evidence accumulates against it. Dont call creationists liars call evolutionists liars and stop them from living a fantasy. We are basing it on the God who was there when it happened and this gives us an incredible advantage over the lie that is evolution.

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almeyda
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Message 15 of 47 (108191)
05-14-2004 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by PaulK
05-14-2004 11:27 AM


Re: The rules of the game
Ok Lets take this one step at a time..First we must realise the religous nature of evolution. For this is only refuted by evolutionary opinions and biased opinions and not by an unbiased observer. It is the science of one religion vs the science of the other.
Worldview | Answers in Genesis
Amazing Admission | Answers in Genesis
Evolution as Religion | Answers in Genesis
Can an excuse be said to refute this? Will you evolutionists continue on pretending this is real science and that is just religion? Or will you accept they are both scientist working with different frameworks? They can both be falsified and they both cant be proven. Yes this is what many of you said makes evolution science. Its nothing but a propaganda plot to indoctrinate the generations to come into evolutionary philosophy. Which then often leads to athiesm and/or humanism. Which of course is without a doubt a religion. There is no way a person here could deny the religious nature of humanism. Secular humanism is a religion. If we can get to this point and acknowledge both attempts at the search for truth then maybe we can get one step forward in this great debate that will no doubt never get resolved.

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almeyda
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Message 21 of 47 (108202)
05-14-2004 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dan Carroll
05-14-2004 11:58 AM


Re: The rules of the game
Why is evidence for a young earth rejected by evolutionists besides the fact it is in conflict with there framework therefore cannot be accepted?
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
Astronomy | Answers in Genesis
Why is bird-dinasaur evolution promoted so heavily when creation scientist have found such evidence against it?
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
Did Dinosaurs Turn into Birds? | Answers in Genesis
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
Why is the evidence for dating method flaws not accepted by evolutionists? Who continue to date things at tremendous ages
Does Radiometric Dating Prove the Earth Is Old? | Answers in Genesis
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
Doesn’t Carbon-14 Dating Disprove the Bible? | Answers in Genesis
Ill see how we go from here.

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almeyda
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Message 30 of 47 (108356)
05-15-2004 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by AdminAsgara
05-14-2004 3:19 PM


Re: The rules of the game
I still cannot believe many of you do not see the religious nature of evolution. Only until this is recognised can this debate go on. I will make it a top priority to make a topic concerning the religious nature of evolution. Can you imagine debating with creationists with the creationists saying no its not science creation has already proved this. You are just religion. And have this bias against you? It just cannot work like this. Everything creationists say is in conflict with evolution. But the thing is evolution is not fact and has not been proven. So what makes evolution anymore righter than creation?. We need to get to the point that evolution is the science of humanistic and naturalism while creation is the science of the christian and supernaturalism. We must realise that it is the same evidence that they both have found with different interpretations and philosophy. Only when this matter is settled can this debate ever come close to getting resolved. Im resigning from this debate as of now until further matters are settled.

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