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Author | Topic: No evolution/creation debate in Europe | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Buzsaw Inactive Member |
anglagard writes: I would assume this observation is not only meant for secular education but also includes the home-schooled and students in religious institutions such as certain schools, colleges, and churches Not really. The observation is to mean that the mostest propagated in the population the mosted believed. We already know what is by far the mostest propagated to the mostest students. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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reiverix Member (Idle past 6140 days) Posts: 80 From: Central Ohio Joined: |
In support of your observations, here are a few BBC stories about creationism as an issue in UK education. The articles carry links that can take anyone further who wants to explore this.
This is shocking. When I was still in high school in the UK 25 years ago, this kind of stuff was unheard of. 2002http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/1979840.stm h2g2 - Creationism in the UK - Edited Entry Choice quote: 'British readers may be reading about Creationism and smugly thinking 'Only in America'. Well, don't be so sure.' 2006BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Creationism 'no place in schools' So is the Creationism cancer slowly permeating throughout the globe? They have the time and money to spread their aganda. I'm disturbed by this.
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CK Member (Idle past 4449 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Not really, that story got a great deal of coverage because it was such an oddity.
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Larni Member (Idle past 175 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
It's not about ideology, Buzz. It's about fact vs bullshit.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2798 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Archer writes: Muslims have their own biblical literalists. Well, I'll be damned, but thanks for informing us of that.
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jar Member (Idle past 160 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There's another reason Europeans don't laugh as hard as the author of our OP imagines: they know the history. If the New World is disproportionately populated today by people who take religion very, very seriously, it is because European monarchs once took it seriously enough to imprison and kill their ancestors for theirs. No where is this message clearer than in looking at English History. Beginning with Henry VIII and continuing down to the Act of Settlement (even beyond if the Jacobitism movement is considered) religion, absolute monarchy and power were the order of the day. One interesting thing is that James II & VII while a supporter of Absolute Monarchy was also a supporter of Religious Freedom and to a great extent his deposition was as much to preclude religious tolerance as it was to attack absolute Monarchy. We need to remember that the English who settled what became the US had known and lived under religious intolerance from The Act of Supremacy in 1534 until the end of the Jacobite Risings in 1746. The issue was NOT ancient history to them but rather very real and very immediate. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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nator Member (Idle past 2491 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah, that stupid Round Earth ideaology.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Your message has absolutely no substance as to an objective response.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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nator Member (Idle past 2491 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Science isn't an "ideology", it is a tool, a way of thinking about evidence that is designed to produce reliable explanatory results. Ideologies are philosophical beliefs or doctrines. If you think that Evolutionary Biology is an "ideology", then you must also think that Cosmology is an "ideology"..
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
nator writes: Science isn't an "ideology"........ I know, but there are varying ideologies among scientists which have a bearing on how things observed are interpreted. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1726 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... but there are varying ideologies among scientists ... From christian to any other religion to atheistic. What you are looking for is an overall philosophy for science. See naturalism quote: Pretty big umbrella. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
So is the phrase you quoted from me correct or not?
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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William Rea Junior Member (Idle past 2942 days) Posts: 12 Joined: |
The article is right, we certainly shouldn't be too smug about the problems the US is having with it's fundies because it is being exported very successfully to the UK. I see us having the same battles in the UK over the next ten years.
It's a situation that the local Government has turned a blind eye to because of the fiscal benefits of so called "Faith" schools and I also have suspicions that Blair has been less than candid about the extent of his religiosity. Emmanuel College has a particularly interesting background. It has been partly funded by Vardy, a fundamentalist used car salesman (does that ring any alarm bells with you as well!). There is evidence that this school is making life very difficult for the secular and the less fundamentalist teachers. The last I heard the same man was trying to "invest" in a third school in another economically disadvantaged part of the North East despite almost unanimous opposition from parents. It would seem that the fundies see these areas as a cheap way to gain a foothold in our education system. Edited by William Rea, : Naming error Edited by William Rea, : Corrected error on wording related to fiscal matters
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1726 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So is the phrase you quoted from me correct or not? It's correct, but not because of anything in evolution. It is correct in the different faiths of scientists, and it is correct in the overall philosophy of naturalism - both with and without supernatural inclusions to varying degrees. But evolution just says how life happens. No whys. When creationists say "evolutionism" what they really mean is "naturalism" - and usually metaphysical naturalism:
quote: Which is essentially atheism. By contrast scientists in general would use methodological naturalism:
quote: Which is essentially agnostic and would not interfere with belief in the supernatural. These philosophies have been around a lot longer than Darwin's theory of evolution too. When I look up the definition of "evolutionism" (which gives me a spell-check error) I get
quote: Not a philosophy based on evolution or an ideology. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : credit Edited by RAZD, : clarity we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
No matter how you spin it, evolutionism is a proper and correct gramatical and scientific term/word in reference to the term/word evolution which was my point all along.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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