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Author Topic:   Miller and Urey Experiment: What has changed?
Dr Adequate
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Message 13 of 85 (674234)
09-27-2012 8:57 AM
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09-27-2012 2:21 AM


No new data has been released because no new successful experiment has been conducted.

The fact that you made this up kinda vitiates your argument.

Given that, I would like to see references for everything else in your post.


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Message 16 of 85 (674248)
09-27-2012 10:27 AM
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09-27-2012 9:33 AM


Well, I'm thinking of people like Oro, Szostak, Fox ... it's ridiculous to say that there's been no new data because there've been no successful experiments. As Matt P pointed out, there's a whole journal devoted to studies in this field. If they're not publishing new data, what are they publishing --- knitting patterns?
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Message 19 of 85 (674305)
09-27-2012 7:10 PM
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09-27-2012 6:57 PM


I guess you could start with Fox, S. W.; Dose, K. (1977). "Molecular Evolution and the Origin of Life"; or you could look at the experiments detailed in Origins of Life and Evolution of Biospheres. Do you have any scientific critique of the peer-reviewed papers published in that journal?
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Message 20 of 85 (674308)
09-27-2012 7:16 PM
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09-27-2012 6:56 PM


Percy, They found more amino acids. most all needed for life, I think. Unfortunately, that does not qualify as life. Additionally, it does not qualify as life. Now that leaves the question, What is life?

Oh, I'll do that one. Life is any collection of molecules that can cause their own synthesis by surface catalysis.

Your turn. What is life? Please note that you need a definition that incorporates both bacteria and God, and I have never seen any creationist supply one.


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Message 22 of 85 (674319)
09-27-2012 7:50 PM
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09-27-2012 7:43 PM


Well yes, you are. You can't possibly be right about whether people have been doing research in this field, and doing experiments, and publishing data. That is a fact so plain that it would be difficult even for a creationist to deny it.
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Message 25 of 85 (674323)
09-27-2012 8:03 PM
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09-27-2012 7:55 PM


LimpSpider writes:

No, Dr, you misrepresent me. Yes, they have been doing experiments, collecting data, etc.

No, you are misrepresenting yourself. What you wrote was:

LimpSpider writes:

No new data has been released because no new successful experiment has been conducted.

If you now wish that you had said something else entirely, then that is not my fault for "misrepresenting" you. I answered what you actually wrote.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 29 of 85 (674335)
09-27-2012 9:02 PM
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09-27-2012 8:50 PM


I believe I have added to that what I wanted to say. It is not a contradiction. The extensions to M-U, I would not consider new.

Ah, right, although new experiments have been performed, and new data published, you wouldn't "consider" these to be new experiments and new data, and you wouldn't "consider" their existence to contradict a statement that there have been no new experiments and no new data.

It's going to be very difficult to talk to you then. If you don't "consider" facts to be facts ... you might be a creationist.


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Message 35 of 85 (674408)
09-28-2012 3:08 PM
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09-27-2012 7:54 PM


I need incorporate bacteria ONLY if I believe in evolution, which I do not.

Uh, no, you need to incorporate bacteria if you think they're alive.

And, no. I don’t have to incorporate God into this. Since I do not know why you want it to be so.

Well, creationists usually claim that God is alive. (And, of course, dead people too.) So it would be nice if one of them just once would provide a definition of life under which this would be true. Is God "an organism that can metabolize on its own"? Not according to conventional ideas of the Godhead. So ...


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Message 39 of 85 (674487)
09-29-2012 12:30 PM
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09-29-2012 7:16 AM


"The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted." --- Psalms 18:46

Of course, if you don't want to take the Bible literally ... then you could stop being a creationist now.


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