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Author Topic:   Should Evolution and Creation be Taught in School?
nator
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Message 34 of 308 (288851)
02-20-2006 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Murphy
02-20-2006 4:24 PM


Re: Duplication etc.
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I remember about 10 to 15 years ago many, if not most, scientists were warning us about a coming ice age, that the earth was cooling.
That's funny, because 10-15 years ago I remember hearing from scientists that we were actually at the end of the last ice age.
Which scientists said that we were coming into a new ice age, again?

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nator
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Message 36 of 308 (288856)
02-20-2006 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by crashfrog
02-20-2006 4:36 PM


Re: Duplication etc.
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But if you fudge the data you learn nothing.
And you also run a very real risk of ending your career in academia completely.
If you are know to have fudged data, no other scientists will want to ever collaborate with you again, and no one will ever want to be your graduate student because of not wanting their own work to be tainted by your reputation for fudging.
And, most importantly, no university science department will ever hire you once you have been shown to be a fraud. Why give good money to a researcher who's work ends up to be useless?
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nator
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Message 39 of 308 (288860)
02-20-2006 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Murphy
02-20-2006 7:10 PM


Re: Duplication etc.
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The oil situation, for example. If oil is found in some parts of the world and there are other parts of the world that hasn't been explored, why would scientists make a statement that wasn't tentative, but absolute about the oil supply?
Please do not confuse the reporting of science for what scientists actually claim.
They are often very different.
Take a guess at which one usually oversimplifies and gets things blatantly wrong a lot of the time?

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nator
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Message 52 of 308 (289015)
02-21-2006 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Murphy
02-20-2006 10:26 PM


Re: speciation
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We've not even mentioned intelligence. That's way beyond evolution. I asked if there were any definite changes into a different form that has been observed without big gaps that have to be filled by speculation.
Proof is proof. Speculation is not proof, nor should it be.
So, do you know the height, build, and eye color of your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother?
If you don't does that mean you didn't have one?

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nator
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Message 251 of 308 (336165)
07-28-2006 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by The Tiger
07-28-2006 5:45 PM


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Wow! I'm amazed. You people are completely narrowminded and unopen to any other possibilities.
Completely untrue.
I am an Agnostic. That means that I am open to all possibilities that pass the bullshit test.
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You wouldn't accept creation if God came down in a chariot of fire and told oyu you have been all wrong.
Assuming the experience could be verified in the usual way, then you can be sure that I would take notice of such an occurrence.
BTW, do you worship Apollo?
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You are utterly biased behind change.
Usually, the people asking the most questions, and doubting the most, are the ones with the least biased thinking.
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Explain to me why science and creation are mutually exlusive?
They aren't.
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Are you saying we should either believe science or creation? Not both?
It really depends upon what you mean by "creation", and "science".
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That's impossible considering I believe both. I have found no reason not to. I thin k much of the bible and such is symbolic and metaphorical, because of that right there I have no reason not to believe.
Lovely, that's what a lot of intellectually honest Christians manage to do.

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