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Author Topic:   Should Evolution and Creation be Taught in School?
RAZD
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Message 73 of 308 (294445)
03-12-2006 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by R. Cuaresma
03-12-2006 7:47 AM


Re: Creation and Evolution in Unification
For example, the letter "V" is not "W" but we can have the letter "W" by simply writing the letter "V" twice.
... God might have copied the same, did a little modifications on it and created ...
What you are talking about is theistic evolution:
Creationism - Wikipedia
Proponents of theistic evolution may claim that understood scientific mechanisms are simply aspects of supreme creation.
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Theistic evolution - Wikipedia
Theistic evolution, less commonly known as evolutionary creationism, isn’t a theory in the scientific sense, but a particular view about how the (scientific) theory of evolution relates to some religious interpretations. More specifically, it's the general opinion that some or all classical religious teachings about God and creation are compatible with some or all of the human understanding about biological evolution.
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This is a perfectly legitimate {opinion\belief\concept} that incorporates a large variety of formats on just how involved the deity is in the matter, with the least involvement being a form of deism (essentially the universe was created for evolution to occur).
In my own understanding, creation and evolution must be taught in a unified approach ...
Must? Why?
The fact that this is NOT a testable scientific theory means that it does not belong in a discussion on science. To introduce this topic takes it out of science into philosophy, a more logical place for such a topic to be discussed, eh?
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Message 95 of 308 (302594)
04-09-2006 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by truthsearcher
04-04-2006 6:25 PM


Creation is not a science whereas Evolution is.
I just was being quick about things
Are you going to put up any answer for the rebutals posted already?

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RAZD
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Message 276 of 308 (388023)
03-04-2007 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Always Curious
03-03-2007 11:42 PM


remedial science 101
Unfortunatly evolution is being taught even before kids enter school. Evolution is being thrust upon young minds as they began to read. When a boy becomes fascinated by dinosaurs, like many do, they will probably pick up a book and I am willing to bet that 99.5% of the time the words "millions and millions of years ago" will be within the first couple of pages.
(1) The age of the different geological periods is determined by geologists not evolution biologists.
In fact not one thing you talk about involves evolution - other than the fact that dinosaurs once roamed the earth (in significantly greater numbers than today).
(2) The earth is old. That is a fact. Whether it is 4.5 billion years or 4.6 billion years is in some dispute, but the fact remains that the earth is OVER 4.5 billion years old.
That means that mentioning "millions and millions of years ago" in a book involving the introduction of science to kids is correctly stating known facts when they say this.
Do you object to facts being in books for children?
Evolution, creationism, and everything that pertains to the same basic idea should be explored together in a science class each getting equal attention.
You mean we should teach science and non-science in science class? You of course realize that "everything that pertains to the same basic idea" includes every myth ever known to man as well as many invalidated theories, such as Lamarkism and the like. I hardly think this is the place to include mythology. This would leave little time to actually address a single element of the factual basis for evolution in the limited time available for such classes.
This would allow the students to actually think for themselves on a controversial topic instead of being made to learn that evolution is a "fact".
Evolution IS a fact: speciation HAS occurred. Evolution HAS occurred. It is only "controversial" to people that deny the evidence in favor of mythology.
Of course confusing mythological fiction with science fact as being intellectually equals is a great way to teach kids to think clearly.
Or do you think you have some scientific evidence for creation?
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Message 280 of 308 (388029)
03-04-2007 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by Lithodid-Man
03-04-2007 5:25 AM


Re: Evolution SHOULD be taught to preschoolers
She mailed a letter to the accreditation board
What accreditation board is that?
I am a college professor who teaches at a Christian college. ...I am currently teaching a course in Historical Geology. ... saying that we have a biologist teaching geology.
The other questions are (1) are there any geologists at this school and (2) if so, have they reviewed the class lectures OR (3) if not why not AND (4) isn't this something the college should have done before offering the class? and finally (5) Don't they stand by their teachers they assign to teach the classes?
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Message 295 of 308 (388138)
03-04-2007 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by fooj
03-04-2007 6:40 PM


Re: Non-public schools are not required to teach evolution.
Welcome to the fray fooj.
There will never be overwhelming proof of an old earth at this rate.
Start here for PROOF that the world is NOT young:
Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III)
While we cannot prove how old the earth is exactly, we can eliminate the possibility of it being less than 4.5 billion years old.
Along the way we definintely can show that the earth cannot be less than 12,000 years by the annual counting of tree rings.
Denial of facts is not belief it is delusion:
de·lu·sion -noun
1. an act or instance of deluding.
2. the state of being deluded.
3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.
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