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kofh2u
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Message 58 of 116 (690874)
02-17-2013 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by saab93f
02-08-2013 8:17 AM


Re: Does stupidity really know no bounds?

I am truly sorry for the kids who have to endure that; "Electricity is a mystery. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it ... We cannot even say where electricity comes from."

There must be something more in the book which brought you to criticize the rather correct ttempt to say that we STILL can not explain what Energy actually is, beyond saying that "It is that entity that makes things move," or hardly any better, "Energy is the ability to do work."

Focusing on just the one form of the seven different forms of Energy is less than desirable, but the writer's point is valid.

And, what we do KNOW about energy is that The Law of Conservation tells us that the material Universe appeared when whatever this Energy may be trasformed itself into the material Universe.

So, in a sense, this thing we call Energy IS the creator of the Cosmos and IS the Cosmos, transcending and interpentrating it, however, i.e.; panentheism.


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kofh2u
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Message 59 of 116 (690875)
02-17-2013 7:48 AM
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02-08-2013 9:33 AM


Re: Does stupidity really know no bounds?

What the @#$% happens if the child ever finds out that we know exactly what electricity is?

We seem to know a lot about what electricity can do, but we do not know what it is.
All we KNOW is that if a charged particle is moved, two fields apparently appear, one magnetic and the other electrical as we have come to detect and call them.

We have learned to use this to perform Work for us, and we can measure that work and say how much electrical power has been consumed.

But what this mystery is, exactly, defies our explanations.
Whatever it is, we observed what it can do, called it electricity, and have studied what it can do extensively, speaking in a way that hides the fact we never explained what it is.


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kofh2u
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Message 64 of 116 (690989)
02-18-2013 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Dr Adequate
02-18-2013 5:50 AM


Re: Does stupidity really know no bounds?

We seem to know a lot about what electricity can do, but we do not know what it is.
All we KNOW is that if a charged particle is moved, two fields apparently appear, one magnetic and the other electrical as we have come to detect and call them.

And then we have this thing called quantum electrodynamics, which can predict the behavior of electrons to ten decimal places.

Or we can listen to "creation scientists" telling us that: "Some scientists think that the sun may be the source of most electricity".

... and in spite of ALL that we can say about what Electricity can do, we can NOT be smart enough yet to explain what Energy actually is, and we remain totally stupid and ignorant saying only that it is "able to do work."

We are stuck saying Energy is an ability, an ability to make things move, an ability to do work.


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kofh2u
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Message 65 of 116 (690990)
02-18-2013 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Dr Adequate
09-16-2012 10:45 AM


Re: re-tracing "the steps" in evolution

Because those are purely human creations? Well, in the first place many Christian apologists don't believe that (see my debate with sac) but in the second place even if they were, who invented counting, eh? You don't know. We have no origin story for mathematics.

God MUST have "invented" mathematics:

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

This also infers that God knows quite well about the genetic code, too.

Then we have the Old Testament reporting the number Pi correctly to one decimal place, indirectly by telling us the dimensions by which to construct a round basin before the Temple.

Again,the Sacred Language, Hebrew, uses 22 symbols to represent the Natural Numbers:


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