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Author Topic:   Creationist/ID Education should be allowed
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Message 101 of 116 (703295)
07-17-2013 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Skulb
07-17-2013 4:37 PM

Re: Use Pikachu when compiling your accounts receivable
The problem is (ok, ONE problem) that you should only teach stuff with evidence in science class, not random ideas that some small group of wack jobs think pose a problem to a particular section of science or particular theory. Especially if those ideas are borne out of religion. There is no valid evidence for any of the ID ideas, so until then, they do not belong in science class.

My point is that scientists have always been holier than thou with their theories,

What does this even mean?

A natural part of talking about the theory of evolution is what would falsify the theory.

Perhaps so. But the place to do that is not in high school science class. You can teach your ID theories when they a) get some actual evidence to back them up and b) when they become actual science. Until then, you can teach them where they belong: church or religious studies.

And what would falsify it would be to prove ID

That is incorrect. "Proving" intelligent design would not necessarily falsify evolution (even though the ENTIRE purpose of ID is to try and do so).

The demand for falsification is there for a reason, to avoid scientists becoming zealots for their own pet theories,

Incorrect again. Falsification is there simply so we can assure we are correct. Only one group of people are considered zeaolts and they aren't the guys wearing lab coats. They're the guys that stand at podiums wearing funny hats.

and I see very few attempts in biology to provide solid falsification criteria.

I am intriugued to know how hard you've actually looked.

Might as well have the ID people do it then

There is a nobel prize waiting for them if they do. The scientific community would welcome the correct answer for the diversity of species with open arms if it turns out that answer is not evolution.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 104 of 116 (703298)
07-17-2013 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Skulb
07-17-2013 8:04 PM

Re: Use Pikachu when compiling your accounts receivable
You've just laid quite a few serious accusations with absolutely zero evidence to back any of it up. And as is par for the course for IDists, you make no effort to substantiate ID but instead try to tear down science as if you are going to further your own ideas if science is wrong. No, if you prove something wrong with science, you still have to provide evidence for your own idea. The rest of your reply is a Gish Gallop to the nth degree and this Alice won't chase that rabbit down the hole. No one cares that you hate science and would rather live in the dark ages; that much is obvious when you made clear you are an IDist. Not to mention that you responded to absolutely zero of what I wrote.

A few tips: double space between paragraphs and provide evidence for your claims and don't just make bald assertions. This is the science side of EvC. We require evidence over here. If you want to bandy about laying baseless accusations, post in the religious side where your ideas are free from scrutiny and you can spout off all the nonsense you want.

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"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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