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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, are you saying that the idea of learning new things and improving our understanding of the physical world is a bad thing? I think you are faulting science for not having "ulitimate truth" in a philosophical sense. The thing is, science has never claimed to have any kind of "ultimate truth". It does not proscribe how one should behave WRT morals or ethics. Science is a methodology which is wonderfully effective and powerful for figuring out how the physical world works. You do realize that by rejecting Biology, you must also reject most of modern life science, don't you? Tell me, do you get vaccinations? [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-21-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Funny, from his posts I have been getting the distinct impression that he thinks that everything in the Bible is factually true and modern Biology and Physics are false. In fact, I think he's pretty much said that.
quote: OK, let's imagine you are an engineer at NASA. Your job is to help design a spacecraft to send out of the Earth's orbit to go study Saturn. What part of the Bible is going to be helpful to you, the part about the firmament or the part about the waters above the firmament? Or, would you rather use those man-made books dealing with physics, aerodynamics, materials science, and propulsion?
quote: Again, I think the opposite is quite obvious. Besides, no one is asking him to have "faith" in science in the way one has faith in God". That was the basis of my explanation to him about his inappropriate expectations of science as a philosophical "ultimate truth". PS Please think about using apostrophes in the appropriate places. It's clunky and jarring to read "don't" as "dont" and "he's" as "hes". [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-21-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Look, Messenjah is the one who said that they would take the Bible as truth over all man-made books. I simply pointed out a situation in which the Bible's "science" would be completely useless. Don't blame me because messenjah doesn't think of the logical consequences of that which he/she writes. So PE, if you think it's ridiculous to try to use the Bible to inform yourself on physics or engineering, why do you not think it equally ridiculous to use the Bible to inform yourself on Biology or Genetics?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: OK, this is a serious question, PE. I really want an answer. Is your faith so weak that you need science to validate it? Why are you going to a "scientific" Fundamentalist Christian website which openly admits that they will ignore any evidence that disagrees with what they have already decided to be true about nature before they ever even look at nature? I mean, they just filter everything through what they want to be true. That's exactly what it says right on their website. This is about as frigging opposite to how real science is done as you can get! Would you go to a mechanic to get your hair cut, or would you go to an accountant to have your appendix out?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: There's plenty of evidence for evolution. Do you really think that in a very contentious profession where the most famous people are the ones who smash the status quo would conspire to all basically agree with one another for a hundred years just to perpetuate a lie? For what reason would they do this. And, if it all was a lie, how is it that something called the "Modern Synthesis", which is the incorporation of the very new field of Genetics with the rather older field of Evolutionary Biology, could ever have happened? What Genetics shows is that, to a very large degree, Darwin was right. Anyway, upon what knowledge base of Evolutionary Biology do you base this bold assertion? How many college Biology courses or Genetics courses have you completed? How many times have you read through TalkOrigins? How much Dawkins, Gould, or even Darwin have you ever read? Have you ever read any science without the religious filters? Surely, you aren't deciding what is true about nature before you even look at any evidence, are you?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If a global flood occurred, then how come organisms of similar density didn't end up in the same geologic layers? Why aren't pterosaurs ever found in the same layers as similar-sized birds? Why are flowering plants, including grasses never, everfound in the lowest layers? Why are the fossils found all over the world ordered in exactly the same way, which is not by density?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, you believe in Creation not because of any convincing EXISTING evidence, but because of some that might be discovered in the future. Oh, wait, you go on to say that there actually IS proof and that a crackpot who bought his degree from a diploma mill run out of a split level and a website which openly professes that they ignore and reject any evidence that they don't happen to like are the best places to find it. The funny part is that even some Creationist sites have decided that Hovind is a wacko should be ignored! Finally, you state that you believe that evolution is false and that there is evidence to support it, yet you have not provided any such evidence on this board, even though it is the perfect place to do so. Wow. All that willful ignorance and desperate fearful clinging to a hollow, childish reading of the Bible culminates in the best part of all:
quote: He runs away from the debate because he has not a leg to stand on, he doesn't comment upon most of the evidence put before him, he puts forth NOTHING that calls any evolutionary claim into question, and then declares (to soothe himself, I suppose) that he, in fact, has not run away. PE, you truly are a great Creationists in the worst sense of the word.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hi NEC,
quote: That evolution is "something someone thought up" is true, I suppose, but the evidence for evolution is something literally tens, maybe hunderds of thousands of scientists over the last 150 years or so have observed. You can observe it too, and you can also read a great deal of current research. The TalkOrigins website Evolution FAQ's are a great place to start. The library is another good place.
quote: Exaples of this happening, please. The truth is, science doesn't work this way. In fact, science works opposite to this way. The following essay is a great explanation of what science is and isn't, and how it works: science - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
quote: What details do you want to know about? There are several actual Biologists, Geologists, etc. on this site which can help you a lot in this regard.
quote: Why do you fear knowledge? Knowledge leads to enlightenment and understanding and fights ignorance and sloppy thinking. It prevents poor descisions and leads to new insights. It is nothing to fear. Anyway, you have a VERY distorted view of science if you think that eveyone who accepts the evidence for evolution as the best explanation for the diversity of life on Earth as "a clone of everyone else who fully supports the theory." Do you fear becoming a "clone of everyone else who accepts the theory" that matter is made of atoms, or the theory that the Sun is the center of the solar system, or the theory that germs cause disease? The Theory of Evolution is an extremely well-supported scientific theory, just like all those others.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, although multiple bacterial chromosomes are relatively uncommon: mmg.uth.tmc.edu/sphaeroides/people/chris/genetics.pdf
quote: Like what, specifically? You keep making these broad statements about how evolution does or doesn't "prove" stuff, but so far you haven't gone into any detail about what, specifically, you think it is doing that it shouldn't. We can't address these things if you avoid the specifics.
quote: You are absolutely correct, which is why 40% of scientists believe in God and the vast majority of religious people accept science.
quote: Do some basic self-education about evolution first, before delving into genetics and microbiology. Try the following website: The Talk.Origins Archive: Must-Read FAQs
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Wow! a bird that gave birth to live young and produced milk? That's pretty crazy. Are there any pictures you can link to?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
ROTFLMAO!!!
I'm keeping that one.
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