$50 to anyone who can prove to me Evolution is a lie.

Prophecy,It would be really easy to prove that evolution is a lie. As Mammuthus will tell you, the basis of evolution by natural selection is the change in frequency of alleles in a population. With all the molecular data that has been assembled in the past ten years or so, it should be glaringly obvious if the genetic makeup of a population never changes. This would prove that evolution is false.Failing that, you could try to prove that differential reproductive success (natural selection) has no bearing on genetic changes in a population. That's the cornerstone of the theory of evolution by natural selection. If you prove that the key assumption of Darwin's theory is false, then you win the bet.Good luck!------------------
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Prophecy,

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No one can prove something that doesn't exist wrong. It's not there to prove wrong.

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Calm down a minute.The theory of evolution by natural selection asserts that adaptation is at the heart of the diversity of life on Earth. If you accept adaptation, you accept evolution. The changes that make organisms adapt to their environments are the exact same as the changes that, over time, create whole new categories of organisms.Certain land animals adapted to aquatic environments and over time, the adaptations to each successive generation led to the existence of sea mammals like whales and dolphins. Is there a better explanation for why these animals live in the water but can't breathe underwater?There's no magic line where "micro" evolution suddenly stops and organisms don't change any more. The more adaptations, the more changes, the more different these organisms will be from their ancestors.------------------
En la tierra de ciegos, el tuerto es el Rey.

Zealot responds to Prophecyexclaimed:

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Evolutionists do have proof that there are mutations and that natural selection occurs. We can accept that and still believe God created it all.

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You're free to 'believe' anything you want. It's just that the mutation/selection process has plenty of evidential support and "God Created It All" has nothing to do with science. Random mutation and natural selection are mechanistic processes and do not appear to be guided by any purpose or intention.

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God would not have created Man and animal to be simple creatures, he made us able to adapt to our environment.

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I assume God realizes you've placed this restriction on His creative power. Just how do you know what God would or would not do?

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the real question is "Is random mutation and natural selection" the reason we went from nothing to life ?

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That's not the real question at all. Random mutation and natural selection allow life forms to adapt to environments, and this is the process that has led to the diversity of life on Earth. If you accept RMNS, you accept evolution.

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We however do not believe that a rat mutated into a bat, or that a some spider spins a perfect web, because they are genetically programmed to do so.

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So you don't 'believe' that rats and bats are rodents, and therefore share a very recent common ancestor? Rats and bats were 'created' separately and specially? Why, may I ask, do you 'believe' a spider spins a web in the first place?I appreciate your telling Prophecy to learn about evolutionary theory before he judges it. However, I think you're under the impression that Darwin's theory somehow deals with religion, and I disagree. The processes responsible for the diversity of life on Earth do not require supernatural intervention, but the existence of God is beyond the ability of science to judge.------------------
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God's being cannot be explained by philosophy or science... God is just too much for us to understand.

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I'll agree with that. In fact, that's why I expect science to provide material explanations for natural processes. What else could we understand?

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No I think the vital difference is that you believe Man to evolve from a Primordial pool and at that 'randomly'. Mathematicians dont support that premise either, so its not really 'blind faith' to believe in a creator.

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I think it's pretty well established that humans share ancestry with all beings on Earth, and I'm not ashamed of that. You use the word 'random' like it means something other than 'without purpose or intent.' Obviously the deterministic process of natural selection doesn't depend on mere chance. What mathematicians in particular dispute the hypothesis of common descent? Again, it certainly is 'blind faith' to believe in something you admit you can't understand, that's the essence of faith. But it's not science.

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Could God create a simple world yes, but He clearly didn't though. I kinda just have to look around me at the complexities of even the tiniest tick.

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And I keep saying that the complexity is due to the billions of years of evolution that have taken place. Sometimes you say you agree that natural selection and adaptation take place, sometimes you attribute even a spider's web to a 'superior designer.'Again, I agree that God is too much for us to understand. But Nature isn't. If you give it its due and have respect for its wonders, you'll learn. If you keep bringing the supernatural into it (as if Nature can't take care of itself), then you're back to believing whatever you want.------------------
En la tierra de ciegos, el tuerto es el Rey.