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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I thought I would comment on this thread because I have been teaching Religious, Moral and Philosophical Studies in Scottish High Schools since January 1998. I am currently supply teaching partime to help fund a M.th course.
To teach in Scotland you need a degree relevant to the subject you want to teach, and you also need to have a certificate or diploma in education. Home schooling isn't as popular here as it is in the States and I cann0t see it ever being so. There are various reasons for this. 1. The average person is not qualified in enough subjects to give a child a good all round education. It may be acceptable to some people to 'learn together' but being one chapter ahead of your children is not good practice, you need knowledge of a subject that goes beyond the curriculum in order to expand on lessons. 2. A child also needs to learn social skills, they need to interact with their peers and different children respond to different teaching methods. Some people might be happy to have their 'home schooled' children pass some exams with an above average score, but chances are that they could achieve far higher scores if taught in a school. 3. Children need practical lessons as well as written academic ones, they need phys ed., art, technical studies, cooking, music, and sciences. This is probably beyond any one individual's capability to achieve. An individual MAY be abe to teach all of these to a certain level but it will be nowhere near the level that a teacher can teach it to. 4. There's also a danger of parent bias. Take my subject for example, Religious Studies, we are told to teach it from a nonconversional stance, if we are caught promoting a certain belief over another we MAY lose our jobs. Children should be free to make up their own minds about their beliefs but how many christian parents can honestly say that they would teach Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism, and Judaism with the same enthusiasm as they would teach Christianity? How many would teach their children that there are major problems with the Bible; How many would teach that creation is true and evolution false; How many would teach that the Bible has been edited many times to remove glaring errors? Best Wishes. Brian. ------------------Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing! [This message has been edited by Brian Johnston, 12-17-2002]
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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Quick question Funky,
Do you think that Kent Hovind would be an ideal home-schooling parent, or should people like Kent be kept as far away from real people as possible? Im not sure if Kent has kids or not, I certainly hope he hasn't, maybe he is too busy with his 300 million lectures a year to reproduce. ------------------Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!
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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
quote: Funky, Do you think you and your good wife are capable of giving your kids a good all round unbiased education? ------------------Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!
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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
quote: Funky, You OWE it to your kids to allow them to have a good all round education. I dont know how the eductaion system works in the USA but in Scotland high school kids get taught 14 different subjects in a weekly time table. Now funky, no one, not even you, could provide a better education than 14 teachers, if you think you can then why not become a teacher and do something about the poor education system that America must have if your argument is true. Also, I DO care what you and everyone else teaches their kids, I also care deeply about EVERY child I teach, contrary to your earlier claim that teachers dont care about all their student. I work very hard in and out of school to make sure that my students get the best from me, I feel it is my duty to do that, it is part of the job. You also claim that schools 'Force feed you knowledge screaming at you the whole time that your life depends on this.' Funky you cannot force feed knowledge into anyone, if they aren't interested then you are wasting your time, if the child's brain goes 'reptilian' then it doesnt matter what you do. One thing I always remember from teacher training is that students normally take what teachers say as being the truth, so I am always very careful in everything that I say. True I am an atheist that teaches religious studies but I do not say any one faith is superior to any other, I emphasise that these are belief systems that cannot be proven or disproven. Now teachers have to be impartial in what they teach, so funky if you were teaching your kids a lesson on Religious Studies would you be able to be impartial, would you teach your kids that Jesus might NOT be God and that Allah might be. How many creation myths would you teach?Would you be able to tell them that there's no non biblical evidence for any of the Patriarchs, there's no evidence that the enslavement in Egypt happened, there's no evidence of an Exodus or a conquest. The problem I have with people educating kids at home is that they will not teach them from an objective stance, we then have the danger of indoctrination, the child is not given all the options. We then have the problem of the child not having a choice in their belief system, christians will promote christianity in their home lessons and the child will come to think that christianity is the only true choice, because students think that everything their teacher says is true. You also say that 3 years at Uni doesnt qualify you to teach. Again I do not know the USA system but in Scotland you need a degree that takes 3 years (4 if its an honours) and an extra year to do a post grad certificate in Education. I studied education alongside my honours degree and have a diploma in ed, which is between a certificate and a degree. Now anyone that has these qualfications IS qualified to teach, whether they are an effective teacher is a different thing, maybe thats what you meant? Anyway, I do care about what you teach your kids, if you were teaching them at home you MAY be depriving them (im not saying you would)of a better education, of a better chance in life, and you may be depriving them the chance to sample the beautiful philosophies of other faiths. Best wishes. Brian. ------------------Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!
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