International Aspects of Creationism/ID

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Unfortunately there were growing signs of an evangelical seige of Europe (and Netherlands in specific) over the last few years, and finally it appears the ramparts have been breached.
  —Holmes

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Yes there are creationists in Holland. Peter Scheele wrote a book and put the whole thing online. It suffers a little as english is his second language but is an improvement on US stuffhttp://www.evolutionisdegeneration.com/This message has been edited by judge, 05-15-2005 06:57 PMThis message has been edited by judge, 05-15-2005 06:59 PM

While we are on the subject of dutchmen, who here could forget the evil Dr Borger. }(
Sure he lives here in Australia now but we all know he was from....Holland :-)EvC Forum: molecular genetic evidence for a multipurpose genomeEvC Forum: Dr Page's best example of common descent easily --and better-- explained by the GUToBThis message has been edited by judge, 05-15-2005 07:09 PM

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I'm not sure why you think its an improvement on US stuff, as most of it appealed to US sources.
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1. He is not a biblical literalist, for a start. A much better stsrting point as the common ground is bigger.2. He at least makes an attempt to explain kinds in a way which may one day be accessible to scientific enquiry.I gotta ask what you see in US stuff that is better than his book?

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Do you know anything particular about this work?

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I have read some parts of the book.

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I found it quite curious that I didnt see (perhaps I didnt look at enough of the pages(this is a real possibility) anything "new" about the origin of genetic information (genetic variance) as on the abcissus of his graphing AND YET he dedicated the book to Dawkins.

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I think that Us style fundamenatist creationists tend to see anyone who does not agree with them as evil }(The Dutch , from my own experience, and by reputation perhaps are not so insecure.
He probably enjoys dawkins writings and is not afraid to appreciate the good things about it whilst disagreeing with the extent of evolution.
He also gives evil Darwin quite a good rap as well.

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Is this really a creationist tract and not hoax like Chardin's piltown man where he didnt reaveal the rub for some years even after many knew?? Lewontin also in related matters would use a different pen name when writing to NYTImes book review.

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Aw...don't be so suspicious. Despite evilutionist dogma, the world is full of people who find life coming from non life and microbes turning into men quite ..well....unbelievable, and there are a variety of attempted solutions.
Fundamentalists may just be good at marketing themsleves.

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The clue for figuring this out myself is that he speaks of "inbreeding" "on top" etc but if you can confirm that 50% is creationist while explaning the Dawkins reference without a meme of it I would appreciate it.

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50% cretinist , 90% cretinist, 10 % cretinist, how does one tell the difference. I honestly don't know.I doubt whther the author has read any AIG material, he is just one guy who doubts "evilution" and attempted to give a better alternative.