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EighteenDelta
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Message 31 of 62 (416549)
08-16-2007 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dragoness
08-03-2007 3:08 PM


I have to say, though I may have worded some answers differently, I think you did an excellent job. More importantly you need to recognize the fact that you are doing something right if she is asking questions. An inquisitive mind is a healthy mind. I think you and your husband probably would have done better to plan ahead for at least some of the foreseeable questions and that's not intended as a criticism of you as a parent. Most of these things, my wife and I have already discussed (between the two of us and how to address them) and our kids are 2 and 3 years old. I am sorry to hear you have a science/religion split home, that does make it more difficult. Over all I think you handled it well and I look forward to the same questions for my wee ones.
Edited by EighteenDelta, : No reason given.

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(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)

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EighteenDelta
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Message 37 of 62 (416698)
08-17-2007 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by nator
08-17-2007 7:51 AM


Re: Update
I think the suggestion of 'leave it to the schools' is a recipe for absolute disaster. I think you are doing the right thing, I do think you should be ready for more questions. Stick to your current plan, this is very much what my wife and I have already prepared to do. Be involved.

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EighteenDelta
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Message 41 of 62 (416746)
08-17-2007 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by ringo
08-17-2007 3:25 PM


Re: Update
I am kind of appalled that people seem to think that the 'average parent' isn't qualified to teach their own kids. I have to say that this is a major contributing factor to the poor performance of kids in science. I don't think Dragoness is suggesting she should teach her 5 year old electron dot models or something like that.
Were your child to come to you with a question, are you seriously suggesting you would tell them "I'm not smart enough, wait til you're in school and ask a teacher"? That's fundamentally the most retarded thing I have ever heard. A parent teaches their child everyday, from brushing their teeth to potty-training. There is no reason a parent should restrict their teaching away from science.
Teach your child everything you know and learn with them anything you don't know Dragoness. As far as the denigrations from other member who project their insecurities, simply ignore it and learn from it. Don't be discouraged because others feel they are not up to the task and you will continue to be a great parent.

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(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)

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EighteenDelta
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Message 44 of 62 (416753)
08-17-2007 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by ringo
08-17-2007 4:32 PM


Re: Update
To equate teaching your own child with performing a tonsillectomy(a surprisingly easy procedure) is either disingenuous on your part or an attempt to intentionally misrepresent the subject. Transposing numbers in a math equation or forgetting how protein synthesis works is rarely life threatening under most teaching situations. One does not require classes on pedagogy, nor a degree for that matter, to pass on the information they have. You may continue to not teach your child, but I would ask you not to discourage other who more wisely wish to be involved with their children's education. Both to ensure that any problems are addressed early, such as learning disabilities, and to know what your children are being taught, such as the case of Kitzmiller v. Dover school district.
"oh here's a book" although a great supplement is the quickest way to discourage your child from ever asking questions.

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(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)

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EighteenDelta
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Message 46 of 62 (416763)
08-17-2007 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by ringo
08-17-2007 5:10 PM


Re: Update
You're not paying attention. The books are in response to questions (that you claim are being discouraged). The books are an extension of what little I can tell them. The books are a bridge to what their teachers can tell them. The books encourage them to find things out for themselves.
You're suggesting that a 5 year old will learn from a book something you are not knowledgable enough to explain to them? We are oming back to the initial begining of all this conversation, it was about a mother explaining things to her 5 year old daughter. Don't pretend this is suddenly about teaching things to a 17 year old.
I'm certainly not discouraging people from being involved in their children's education. I'm discouraging people from going too far on their own.
That's exactly what you did do and say. Who is to determine what's 'too far'? You? Based on what you think you know or don't know? These aren't graduate level questions. I should hope the average parent would be capable of knowing a subject at the level of up to a 12 YO.

Idiots speak louder than words
(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)

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EighteenDelta
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Message 50 of 62 (416773)
08-17-2007 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by nator
08-17-2007 6:51 PM


Re: Update
How many 5 year olds need to know about midieval european history? We are talking about idiots chastizing a woman for the answers she gave her 5 YO. We are talking about the basics, nothing more in this case.
Read the damn topic before you develop diarhea of the mouth.

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(yes its supposed to be ironical... twice)

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EighteenDelta
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Message 51 of 62 (416775)
08-17-2007 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dragoness
08-17-2007 7:00 PM


Re: Update
Anyone who read that into this conversation is looking for reasons to carry on an arguement they have already invested too much in to back down when they show their level of ignorance. Dragoness Home schooling is the best suppliment you can give to their education, I would agree that exclusive home schooling is failure at every level from socialization skills to knowledge opportunites.

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EighteenDelta
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Message 54 of 62 (416780)
08-17-2007 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by nator
08-17-2007 7:30 PM


Re: Update
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How many 5 year olds need to know about midieval european history?
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If they ask about it, what would you say?
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We are talking about idiots chastizing a woman for the answers she gave her 5 YO.
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Nobody really chastized her. They criticized what she did, because she asked people their opinions on what was done. She became rather defensive and IMO overreacted.
I'm pretty sure that 1) she's a big girl and can deal with things here on her own without the need for a defender such as yourself, and 2) trying to shame or shout people down will not work well here.
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We are talking about the basics, nothing more in this case.
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What, nobody's allowed to talk about "more" just becasue you said so?
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Read the damn topic before you develop diarhea of the mouth.
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And I will thank you to keep your temper tantrums off the board.
And Elephants don't eat vanilla ice creame.
The perfect non-sequiter to end this string of pure non-sense.
Edited by EighteenDelta, : grammar

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