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Author Topic:   Why are Haeckel's drawings being taught in school?
edge
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Message 233 of 306 (221436)
07-03-2005 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by Modulous
07-03-2005 7:53 AM


Re: Manners maketh the man
Since it seems you have decided to drag the tone of this debate down, let me make a suggestion. You briefly outline the claims you are making, with one or two sources that back up them up. From what I have learned so far:
1. Haeckel 'copy/pasted' his diagrams
Agreed.
2. Haeckel fudged his diagrams to make them conform to his recapitulation theory
Agreed.
3. The diagrams that appeared in schools were either the copy/pasted diagrams, or they were the fudged diagrams
Not agreed on the copy/pasted ones, though we know that the latter is true.
Good post, Mod. Of course, you know the punishment for making a concise explanation of the issues and a devastating argument against one of YECdom's favorite points. I'm sure that Rantman will now simply remount the soapbox and rail against Haeckel's forging of evidence, as if it has anything to do with the modern understanding of evolution.

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edge
Member (Idle past 1732 days)
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From: Colorado, USA
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Message 250 of 306 (221691)
07-04-2005 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by randman
07-04-2005 12:48 PM


Re: Textbook makers are not a representative sample of the community they write about
The problem is that it's not just the textbooks, but what was taught in high school and college classrooms, and presented as a major piece of evidence since Darwin.
First of all, it is not what is in (all of) the textbooks, as you have been shown previously. Why do you ignore responses to your posts, other than the fact that you are not debating in good faith? Second, when were you last in a high school or college biology class? How do you know what is taught?
It was a fundamental argument and standard practice for evolutionists to overstate the embryonic case for evolution, and imo, the overstatements are still on-going.
I'm glad that we have your opinion on this. It is not shared by many, however.
Let me put it this way. This is one of the major reasons people believed evolution to be true, and allowed the premise of common descent to color their perception of the evidence.
Nonsense. The major reason is the preponderance of evidence for common descent.
It affected everyone because all Phds at one point had to learn this, ...
And as we all know, all PhD's are credulous sheep when it comes to thinking.
... and so it wasn't just a textbook error of a minor proportion that maybe some teachers corrected, but a systematic deception passed on and believed by the evolutionist community as a whole, ...
So, this is part of the great evolutionist plot!
... so much so the evolutionist community has had a difficult time completely abandoning the claims, wanting to somehow still make a link between fish gills and humans for example.
But, as you have been shown, there is a link. I can see what your problem is here, Rantman. You are completely impervious to anyt facts that are inconvenient for you. For you, they literally do not exist.

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