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mark24
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Message 3 of 337 (291085)
02-28-2006 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JustinC
02-28-2006 6:59 PM


JustinC,

Teaching ID in a science class would be teaching religion in a science class.

Either life had a natural origin or it doesn't, ie. therefore God/s. Since ID essentially tries to rule out #1, it implicitly requires that life (& a lot more besides) was created by divine intervention.

The ID movement tries very hard to distance itself from mentioning god, even going so far as to say, "we don't know what the designer is". Regardless, it is implicit that ID must invoke the supernatural at some stage.

Mark

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mark24
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Message 82 of 337 (424458)
09-27-2007 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by pbee
09-26-2007 12:25 PM


pbee,

Wrong, teaching that life originated as the result of a higher power has nothing to do with religion.

Of course it does, either life appeared naturally in the universe or it required a supernatural agent. Belief in a creating supernatural agent is religion.

mark writes:

Either life had a natural origin or it doesn't, ie. therefore God/s. Since ID essentially tries to rule out #1, it implicitly requires that life (& a lot more besides) was created by divine intervention.

pbee writes:

circular argument. God/Creation has no bearing on natural /unnatural laws. Such arguments are nothing more than literary implications people employ to satisfy beliefs.

A circular argument is an argument that requires acceptance of conclusions before the premise was accepted. ie. It isn't a circular argument.

In all other ways what you wrote was meaningless to my statement.

Again, more word play. Supernatural ranks up with magic and hocus-pocus.

That's right. That's what ID ultimately is, something synonymous with religion.

I say again, ultimately, life had a natural origin or a supernatural one. By supernatural we mean "outside this universe". ID attempts to rule out the former, therefore ID espouses supernatural origins.

Mark


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