It's a Sad Day For the Future Of American Children.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blitz77:
[B]On the 17/10/02, the Ohio State Board of Education has voted 17-0 to "teach the controversy"; adopting new science standards. Two of the changes include changing the definition of science to "Recognize that science is a systematic method of continuing investigation, based on observation, hypothesis testing, measurement, experimentation, and theory building, which leads to more adequate explanations of natural phenomena., where previously it was Recognize that scientific knowledge is limited to natural explanations for natural phenomena based on evidence from our senses or technological extensions. [/quote][/b]
I actually prefer the new definition, and it still rules out the reaching of evolution and ID. The reason is that Natural Phenomena rules out a Supernatural diety. The second reason is that
"observation, hypothesis testing, measurement, experimentation, and theory building"
also can not be performed on a supernatural diety and therefore a mechanism can not be postulated in a confirmable fashion for ID.

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NB-These changes do not decrease the teaching of evolution, or mandate the teaching of creation. Rather, it just includes things such as Describe how scientists continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory.
To quote David Berlinski (neither Christian nor creationist) has words for those who think evolution should be protected from criticism: The idea that the high school has to be a kind of large locker room where only the coach’s pep talk is considered reasonable— that should be repugnant. That’s not really how we want our educational establishment to be run, is it? Let’s give high school students the benefit of the doubt.

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IF that meant that the schools in Ohio were going to teach all the scientific aspects to evolution, ie the varying scientific theories then I would agree, but they DO plan to teach ID, which is creationism.------------------
"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

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Originally posted by blitz77:
I'll agree with that definition. It is debateable whether ID is creationism or not.

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Blitz, I took a list of the books at the Discovery Institute (the driving force behind the ID movement). Here it is Discovery bookstore
If you really look at some of the books it becomes immediatley apparent that the site is a creationist site.------------------
"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz[This message has been edited by Dr_Tazimus_maximus, 10-21-2002][This message has been edited by Dr_Tazimus_maximus, 10-21-2002]

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Originally posted by nos482:
Especially this one;

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Creation Hypothesis, The
Scientific Evidence for an Intelligent Designer

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Did you note that of the four main areas that the book addresses that only ONE deals with evolution.------------------
"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

TB, a couple of points before I crash.
1) The origin of genomes, at least where you appear to be defineing it, will likely occur in a blurred area between abiogenesis and evolution. Namely in an area between a series of patterns in chemical copying and true life forms. Problem is I think that the closer that we get to that area the more that it will become blurred; and people think that virus's are hard to define in this respect, they ain't seen noth'in yet.
2) W.R.T. defininitions in science and the basis for science. Neither ID nor any creationism based "science" meet any of the philosophical interpretations for a science as far as I am aware. Definitely not Popperian (although I do not subscribe to a strict Popperian interpretation, a looser ony w.r.t. ability to disprove a theory is accurate IMO) and not Baconian/Inductive/Deductive either. When one of the leading lights (as it were) of ID admits in print that ID is not falsefiable then it is time for ID to hang up its pretenses of being science. I am refering of course to M. Behe and his admission in "Mere Creation"Sorry for any typos, but I am too beat to do more than a cursory spelling check.------------------
"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz