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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: My niece's Catholic middle school taught a world religions class, and she enjoyed it very much.
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Again, any particular evidence you have to support this assertion?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think Christians have to get better at teaching both creationism and evolutionism. I'd love to see Christians become scientists and grasp both systems thoroughly and know the terms of the debate better than anybody else.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4130 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Yes, thanks for the quotes, that's what I was thinking of. The word "religion" back in those days was commonly used to refer to Christianity, and that included the deist or unitarian forms in their minds by that time. Christians used the term all the time that way, though these days it has come to include all the world's religions. do you have any evidence of this? i know jefferson when he wrote about religion to the baptists also spoke of islam, and judaism
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The founders sometimes referred to other religions, but I think they specified them rather than using the generic term "religion" to stand for them, because Christians habitually used the term to refer to Christian religion. There should be lots of examples of this but I'll have to dig them up.
This message has been edited by Faith, 04-07-2006 09:17 PM
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Mr Q. QQQQQ Inactive Member |
MangyTiger writes: Faith schools pretty much inevitably reinforce segregation and separation and I think that's a very bad idea. And I would have to agree, so it seems do the members of the National Union of Teachers here in the UK. To quote an article in The Independent newspaper;
Richard Garner, Education Editor writes: Delegates will be told [at the NUT's annual conference] that this is fostering religious divisions and creating a fertile ground for ethnic conflict and even terrorism. And also;
Steve Sinnott, the union's general secretary, said there was "enormous concern around the country" over the growth of faith schools. Here is the article in full. I sincerely hope there is such concern around the country, though I do believe kids are apt to find rivalry anywhere, I also think religion can be a divisive influence. I hope the NUT's concerns are taken into account by the government, though i have to admit I laughed when I typed that. So what is this? A win for common sense? PS: A good couple of years lurking here and i finally wrote a post! whoop whoop! This message has been edited by Mr Q. QQQQQ, 04-08-2006 02:34 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I would agree that there is a problem with allowing Muslims their own schools as they do teach terrorism in them.
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whiskeyjack Inactive Member |
I would agree that there is a problem with allowing Muslims their own schools as they do teach terrorism in them Please tell me this is a sarcastic comment? This message has been edited by whiskeyjack, 04-08-2006 09:30 PM This message has been edited by whiskeyjack, 04-08-2006 09:51 PM
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ThingsChange Member (Idle past 5946 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: |
quote:Not from the results that I have seen. quote:Nonsense. It would likely be some bell curve with some worse, some exceptionally better, and most better overall. Competition is better and is proven. Socialistic policy leads to overall decreasing quality, not competition. quote:No, you are misunderstanding. I am not advocating some beauracracy that "directs" education (like you are). I am advocating freedom to experiment and find out what works and doesn't work. You are assuming public schooling has adapted to best fit. Far from it. It's a disaster, and doesn't meet special needs. That's a big reason why many people pull their kids from school to home school them. quote:I am not sure they were ever that good. In any case, they adapted to the business environment. But guess what? More competition has led to more balance (witness internet, Fox News and radio talk shows to get out the news and analyze what is happening).
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ThingsChange Member (Idle past 5946 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: |
RE: My assertion that faith-based education creates better quality folks
I base that claim on:1. My own anecdotal evidence with people of faith 2. From what police officers have told me about the profile of the types of people that commit crime and who are in the jails 3. Common sense ... they teach good values and have an incentive not to be selfish The big exception to this, of course, are the radical Muslims !So, I do not claim that all faiths are good for our society.
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I am. Network TV news used to actually be about investigative journalism. Edward R. Murrow? Walter Kronkite? Now they are just about making money.
quote: Right. That's why the best informed people are the ones listening to non-profit outlets like NPR.
quote: Er, no. Mainstream TV news is far, far, far more conservative and lacking in real content and analysis than ever before.
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Anecdotal evidence isn't good enough to base national policy upon.
quote: ...which is more personal anecdotal evidence.
quote: ...which is just your personal opinion. If what you are saying is true, though, shouldn't we find a scarcity of religiously-raised people in our prisons?
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Competition is better and is proven. Socialistic policy leads to overall decreasing quality, not competition.
It sounds as if you are more concerned with pushing a political ideology, than with the best interests of the children and the community.
I am not advocating some beauracracy that "directs" education (like you are).
Where did I ever advocate bureaucracy?
You are assuming public schooling has adapted to best fit. Far from it. It's a disaster, and doesn't meet special needs.
There are some excellent public school systems, and there are some poor ones. Some of the problems of public schools derive from social conditions in the communities. Where private schools look better, it is often because they get to cherry-pick their students.
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redseal Inactive Member |
...shouldn't we find a scarcity of religiously-raised people in our prisons? You may be confusing religiously-raised folk who follow wrong religions, with religiously-raised folk who follow the one true religion. Muslims, Jews, False Christians and other assorted riff-raff are sinners and are not exempt from prison; God's True Flock are not to be found in prison!
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