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sfs Member (Idle past 2534 days) Posts: 464 From: Cambridge, MA USA Joined: |
quote:I'm afraid you're quite mistaken here. I study human genetic variation for a living, and there simply is no way of understanding the genetic data other than as a product of evolution. It is the only framework available, and everyone in the field, regardless of their religion, uses it. That is the reality in my science.
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Apostle Inactive Member |
sfs,
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the various issues. Most particularly I would be interested in seeing the evidence you have documenting macroevolution. I am also curious that since there is no fossil transitionary forms, what you would point to in support of the evolution of species from one bacteria to all the living beings today. However, this is not going to fit under the current topic so we will have to leave it for another day. Respectfully, Apostle
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
Good of you to notice that you might be heading off topic. If you want to see some thoughts on "no fossil transitionary forms" you might want to browse this thread (and perhaps add to it).
fossil record
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Apostle Inactive Member |
I will indeed take a look at this link. If necessary I might gain from adding to it.
Apostle
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k.kslick Inactive Member |
They can teach evolution in Sunday Schools when the schools start teaching alternatives to there ONE magic theory. Just think though, schools are meant to teach, if they teach, they should teach both sides. Sunday School is the group of people who believe the truth, so why teach a lie? Either way, I have learned to recognize the lies the state demands that our innocent teachers HAVE TO teach.
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sfs Member (Idle past 2534 days) Posts: 464 From: Cambridge, MA USA Joined: |
quote:If the school class is a science class, there aren't two sides to teach. There is a scientific theory, which is evolution. There's also a mass of religiously motivated, incoherent objections to evolution, but there is no alternative theory to explain the data. Pretending that there is an alternative would indeed be to teach a lie.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Hi K.
Ah to be so young and so dogmatic. When someone can give us another scientific theory that explains all the evidence, I'm sure it will start being taught. Maybe you can find an approriate thread to present your evidence for "The Truthtm" Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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k.kslick Inactive Member |
evolution is still just a theory
and creationism is a theory with religous backup. Wake up!
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Maybe you could enlighten us as to just what a "theory" is.
And what is meant by "religious backup"? Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
It is a bit scary since people often harden in their views as they age (not me of course, neither hardened or aged! ((mm that might not have come out as planned )) ). If KK starts where he is he'll not be able to learn anything new by the time he's 20.
Common sense isn't
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Hi NosyNed:
NosyNed writes: If KK starts where he is he'll not be able to learn anything new by the time he's 20. How true...but then, I don't think KK really cares to learn anything new even now...he believes he knows it all already.
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sfs Member (Idle past 2534 days) Posts: 464 From: Cambridge, MA USA Joined: |
quote:It can go either way. Lots of people are dogmatic as teenagers and become more aware of uncertainty and ambiguity as they mature. An opinion can be argued with; a conviction is best shot. T.E. Lawrence
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Ah yes....Dylan
Crimson flames tied through my earsRollin' high and mighty traps Pounced with fire on flaming roads Using ideas as my maps "We'll meet on edges, soon," said I Proud 'neath heated brow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth"Rip down all hate," I screamed Lies that life is black and white Spoke from my skull. I dreamed Romantic facts of musketeers Foundationed deep, somehow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Girls' faces formed the forward pathFrom phony jealousy To memorizing politics Of ancient history Flung down by corpse evangelists Unthought of, though, somehow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. A self-ordained professor's tongueToo serious to fool Spouted out that liberty Is just equality in school "Equality," I spoke the word As if a wedding vow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. In a soldier's stance, I aimed my handAt the mongrel dogs who teach Fearing not that I'd become my enemy In the instant that I preach My pathway led by confusion boats Mutiny from stern to bow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. I always assumed that the more people insisted they were mature, the less they actually were. True maturity comes from the understanding of how immature we truly are. Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: So you would like to be taught the creation stories found in Native American religions, Hinduism, Native African religions? The evidence that supposedly can apply to Christian creationism could just as easily support the other creation stories. Why should only the Christian creation story be taught when people of every creed and religion are in the educational system? Can you find any evidence that would support the Christian view of creation theory over other creation views in other religions? Why couldn't a pantheon of gods create the earth instead of a single God, or even aliens travelling back in time with technology far superior than anything we could even dream of? You seem to have religious blinders on and haven't realized the breadth of human involvement in different religious philosophies. Secondly, in my experience the Theory of Evolution in high school is taught as a theory with little evidence actually brought forward. Instead of looking at the legitimacy of the theory, the classes should focus on what the theory states and it's implications in how we understand functioning ecosystems. In this way, if you want to argue later about whether the Theory of Evolution is correct or not you will have a firm foundation of understanding about the subject you are arguing against. I'm sure you would tell an atheist to read the Bible before arguing against it, teaching evolution is no different. I guess the question becomes, are you afraid of learning what the Theory of Evolution says? You don't have to accept it as the correct explanation for species diversity, mind you. You just have to learn what it states. What is wrong with teaching evolution in this manner? PS: Scientists who have formed the current evolutionary theories did not set out to lie to people, it is the theory that best fit the data they collected. A lie would be to ignore the data and put forth a theory that is in direct contradiction to the evidence. [This message has been edited by Loudmouth, 01-16-2004]
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godsmac Inactive Member |
Creation "science" is not really scientific in method, and therefore does not belong in a science classroom. Proponents of creationism bear false witness to both the Bible and science! Mainstream scientific explanations of evolution do not contradict with a firm and righteous belief in God or the Bible. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with teaching evolution in Sunday school. I think that would be a great thing!
For a good essay posted on the Web that deals with this topic, go to http://www.theistic-evolution.com It has the best arguments against creationism and ID I have read in a long time, and from a devout Christian!
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