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Author Topic:   AntiGod education should not be compulsary (even for non wealthy)
Taqless
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Message 47 of 281 (83526)
02-05-2004 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by simple
02-05-2004 3:07 PM


Re: plenty
AntiGod education should not be compulsary (even for non wealthy)
ToE does not throw God into question and is, therefore, not "AntiGod". I would say you have a problem because your faith has a problem, so the correct way would be for you to take responsibility for yourself and develop a more mature faith/belief instead of trying to point fingers at scientists.
So I think evolution should not be taught in schools!
Well, I would have to defer to hitchy's post #44 here. Are you against archeology, geology, etc. as well? Because they support the ToE. Where do you propose this would end? Back in Galileo's time again?
The results! (poor kids brought up with no clue, no hope, no right or wrong etc.)
What results were you speaking of? Must have missed the actual support for your response.
May I humbly suggest that since the vast majority of Americans believe in a Creator (Yes Jesus as well, most of them!) That any compulsary education reflect that.
Since you are such an open-minded person I suggest that we might as well go the extra effort and teach both majority religions in the world today, Christianity and Islam. However, Creation was not a science and teaching ONE religious creation only results in the alienation, then intolerance, etc of others.

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Taqless
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Message 48 of 281 (83539)
02-05-2004 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by simple
02-05-2004 3:44 PM


Re: change
...Also in the world's oldest book, where it talks of the future,...
LOL, you don't get out much do you, or is it read much? If you are a young person jumping into the mix then I apologize, but you really need to provide SUPPORT or a line of REASON for what you write regardless of your age. "talks of the future...." talks of a future that has yet to happen, right? Maybe you should be worshipping Nostradamus?

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Taqless
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Posts: 285
From: AZ
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Message 102 of 281 (84048)
02-06-2004 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by simple
02-05-2004 11:12 PM


Re: change
#52
The problem is not in belief but in unbelief here. Stick to the facts in all sciences, none of which include evolution at all.
1) Show that ToE is AntiGod
2) The problem is belief, but not in God, in the Bible.
3) I said SUPPORTS evolution, other science disciplines SUPPORT evolutionary science. So, should we do away with any science that corroborates evolutionary SCIENCE??
#53
I paraphrased a bible verse, if you want more support let me know. You don't seem to think much of the future.
1) I wanted evidence for your claim that the bible was "the oldest book".
2) No, it is the afterlife that I don't think much of.
#54
Taqless: What results were you speaking of? Must have missed the actual support for your response
14gipper:Results of a godless public school system. Drugs, suicide, murder, lack of faith, violence, etc.
1) Like I asked, provide the "results" (you know numbers, statistics, etc), or at least a line of reasoning for this claim.
After replying to all this, I have a question for you. Give me ONE example where Church and State have gone hand-in-hand and not resulted in bloodshed. I challenge you that it is more a problem in this world with people who find that they cannot reconcile the reality with the Bible in terms of facts. That is where faith comes in, because faith does not require/need corroboration.

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Taqless
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Message 146 of 281 (84772)
02-09-2004 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by simple
02-07-2004 1:48 PM


Re: change
Show anywhere in Chemistry/Biology/Physics/Political Science/Anthropology....zzzzzzz....oops I'm sorry what was your point?????? This is not proof, AND certainly not a rebuttal. So, back to the point that you have not rebutted YET!!
Provide proof that evolution, specifically ToE is AntiGod!
Just because a subject does not involve god does not make it Anti-God, but I shouldn't have to tell you that.

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Taqless
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Message 149 of 281 (84795)
02-09-2004 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by simple
02-07-2004 2:09 PM


Re: warming up here
why do you think Adam had some reading lined up, when he was done meeting Eve? If you know of a more ancient writing go ahead, share it.
You state something, you are the thread starter, it is up to you to provide proof for your claims, so do it! BUT, to be nice the Egyptians were documenting events and such long before the Bible was compiled or even the writers that wrote what is compiled. The two responses I have so far will be what I will answer, you are making too many unsubstantiated claims for me to keep up.
So, just answer "the oldest book" and the "evolution is AntiGod" claims for now.

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Taqless
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Message 151 of 281 (84798)
02-09-2004 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by hitchy
02-06-2004 11:10 PM


Re: waiting for the gipper
You are right, of course, unfortunately. I just want this person to support how evolution is AntiGod. The rest I'm trying to ignore for now. It's diffcult.

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Taqless
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Message 152 of 281 (84799)
02-09-2004 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by simple
02-09-2004 4:26 PM


Re: pros and the con job
It is YOUR claim, provide proof!

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Taqless
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Message 158 of 281 (84825)
02-09-2004 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by simple
02-09-2004 4:58 PM


Re: the photocopy!
I think the evolution thing I outlined.
Please direct me to the specific post(s). At this time I don't have time to read ALL of your posts that are not replies to me. Thanks.
Well, in the sense that God wrote it...
God didn't write "it" or the Bible...it was supposedly inspired or something, right? So, are you conceding that the Bible is NOT the "oldest book"?? Because it sounds like you are while seeming to imply it was sooo important to me. I already knew it wasn't the "oldest book" I just thought you needed to admit that this claim was erroneous, and indirectly you have. That's fine.

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Taqless
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From: AZ
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Message 186 of 281 (85287)
02-11-2004 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by simple
02-10-2004 10:18 PM


Re: More assertions and delusions of grandure from the gipper!
It's anti God anti Christ, in that it tries to replace God's creation, with the creature creating itself, it leaves no room for the Savior, It says God is a liar, and it was designed to destroy faith in God.
1) Since ToE is a problem for the bible not god, Trixie already said this and I agree, then this is the dilemma:
Situation 1: You think god exists because of the bible (kinda like the movie 'Never Ending Story')
Result 1: If someone challenges a fact in the bible it is, for you, automatically a challenge against the fact of god, and therefore an attack on your faith.
Conclusion 1: So, your faith/belief in god is by proxy(kinda),
OR
Situation 2: You think god existed before and exists WITHOUT the bible.
Result 2: As such if the bible is challenged then "hmm, maybe I can be objective" about discussing the facts.
Conclusion 2: It has absolutely no impact on your faith/belief which is directly in god. No matter what inconsistencies might exist in the bible, etc it makes no difference because it has no bearing on your faith because technically, for you, god exists w/o the bible.

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Taqless
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Message 187 of 281 (85292)
02-11-2004 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by simple
02-11-2004 1:09 AM


Re: Santa baby crawling out your pond tonight
Precisely! Many poor children find out Santa is not real, amd then begin to wonder if other things they were taught are also false. One reason we need to teach the truth.
I think you missed the pitch, man.
If they don't teach you came from flies crawling around sewage to your children,
Serious hang-up. Why don't you mention the reality of what is actually taught in a biology class (a PART of the biology class NOT the entire curriculum, which in turn is a PART of the actual class load), so what are you ranting on and on about?
and if you have to go to jail if you don't eat in the restarant
So, are you against education at all? I mean you act as though every public school teaches only evolution all of the time. What a drama queen.
and if you are forced to pay for the restaurant with your tax money,
So, do you think people who can't have kids, grandparents, and homosexuals should cry as well about paying taxes for schools?

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