AntiGod education should not be compulsary (even for non wealthy)

What a great quote you have holmes! So fitting for this thread. When we say the pledge in school every morning, I go silent when we get to "one nation under god". A student asked me why I didn't say the "under god" line. I used a quote from George Carlin--"well, I don't want to be presumptuous about our [god and I] friendship!"Robin Williams and Bill Mahr (sorry if I mispelled that) also have great ideas on the relationship between "god" and humans.

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If they don't teach you came from flies crawling around sewage to your children, whether you like it or not, and if you have to go to jail if you don't eat in the restarant, and if you are forced to pay for the restaurant with your tax money,and you find the service lousy, and if the product you end up eating just didn't turn out right at all-then, unless you are an evolutionist, I would suggest you take your business elsewhere!

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First of all, in case you weren't listening in school, students are not forced to believe in evolution. All they have to do is understand what it is saying. Any student is free to reject the theory, but they must first understand it. No student will ever go to jail for saying "I don't believe in evolution". However, if theocracies of old are any indication, establishment of a national religion could result in non-christians going to jail/burning at the stake. I would rather rely on the tentative nature of science than the inerrant nature of theology. If evolution were falsified, guess what, they wouldn't teach it in science class. It has yet to be falsified. So maybe instead of griping you should hit the lab bench and show the world how false evolution is.

OK, how can plants, then animals then man become plants then man then animals when you look more closely? Sorry, but you're convincing no-one but yourself. Maybe its a common "misconception" only because it's so obvious that the two versions are incompatible, except when you want to assert that Genesis is the literal truth of Creation and therefore have to put inconsistencies like this down to a failure of the reader to understand it properly i.e., gloss over it! What do you believe the order of Creation to be?

Hey, from now on tell them that if the pledge without "under God" was good enough for our Greatest Generation, it is good enough for you. What... they got something wrong with the heroes of WW2???That oughta give 'em something to think about... maybe even start a grassroots thing.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Sounds reasonable. Let the kids have Jesus, and we'll talk reason. Meanwhile, if science could have knowledge as to (I'm not saying we do) use a microchip, to work as a device making a man into a sort of part machine, part man, bypassing free decision making process, would we have to use this science? Or if we had a way to splice a child with a horse, would this be something had to learn, teach, and implement? I think we need some guidelines for a moral code of some kind.

Which God? Sent from Heaven, and written in black and white, and read all over. Before Abraham was, I am, ..yes, which our tinsie minds can't really grasp, since we are now living in time (which will soon end!) As far as to whether He wrote the Bible before we happened to be sent our copy, I don't know. Unless you were there with Him then, I guess you don't know either! It's very simple, clear and consistant on all the important things like why we're here, when we were made, what's coming soon, and where our way to live forever is. (Jesus)
Speaking of consistant, how's your vestial organs doing?

Are you saying a certain recitation in the US wasn't made by what you call heros, and therefore God is not essential? I think that the poor boys (girls) who died either in that war (to save the world for 'democracy),were duped. As well as the 'war to end all wars' before it. I think many of them now, in heaven, would not be happy at the state of the country they died for! I don't think tossing out God from the nation, was their idea of why they died for "God and country".

Rather than answering this post of mine, how about replying to the earlier one I posted to you with facts regarding US history and Xianity's NONexistence in it's government?

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Are you saying a certain recitation in the US wasn't made by what you call heros, and therefore God is not essential?

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No. I am saying that the heroes of the US had many different Gods and feelings about their Gods. But the one feeling they had at a time of GREAT PATRIOTISM TO THIS COUNTRY... is that their belief in God had nothing to do with their belief in this nation.Their faith in either God or Country was not so weak that they demanded both be used to prop each other up.I think many would be disappointed to see where the US is right now as well. They certainly were not for tossing out all the freedoms they fought for... including the freedom of religion.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

No, that was before my time. I have heard from my seniors that it was
(Hand over heart)"I pledge allegiance to (hand outstreched with arm pointing toward flag) the flag...."
But they quit that when Herr Hitler's version got too popular.

Man never became plants, or animals became man, or any such thing. Everthing according to it's seed. Man beget men, etc. You know one place I most came upon such supposed contradictions? Years ago someone showed me I believe it was called a 'satanic bible'. In it it was a whole book full of what it tried to portray as bible contadictions! I remember one example in it. there are 2 verses back to back I think in 'Proverbs' one that says 'answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be also like him.' And then the next verse, it says "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceits.'. So I came to understand that all of these circulating supposed misconceptions were really nonscense! Many don't even know the source of most of them. They are simply meant to try to overthrow people's faith in God. It seems especially designed for 'new christians' or potential believers, to keep them, if possible, from getting any further. The book of Revelations uses the flashback thing a lot too. If you look at something called the 'preponderance of the scriptures' it means you try and get a big picture, balancing overall, what it must mean, despite what it may look like in a particular place.

What, reason is too good for kids? Maybe for yours, but I plan to teach mine how to think. What the fuck are you even talking about? Not a word of your post makes sense. So do I. I just don't think that they should come from fairy tales.

Maybe you could read a bit more carefully. Trixie is asking which creation account is the accurate one and how you can say that one is simply a closer look at the other. In one account the order of creation is plant, animal, man and in the other account the order of creation is plant, man, animal.

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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

When I refered to jail, it was if their parents tried to keep the from the compusary education altogether. But do not some children make the news for getting suspended for praying, or carrying a bible, and those kinds of things? I don't think personally Jesus was religious. And I know He healed and raised the dead, but He never hurt anyone. (Possible exception overthrowing the moneytables at the temple-but I doubt it). Burning at stake? Romans did it to Christians! So we're not talking denomination, like the Inquisition in Europe. Just promoting faith, not killing it.

No, you don't, because it doesn't happen.

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Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

In Gen 2 19th verse, it is recountin now what was already done, reviewing. How that " ..out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and foul of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them:.." and then goes on to talk about the naked woman He created for him as well, that he woke up beside out of sleep. It also points out they were not at all ashamed. So here they are not being created again, just mentioned, and zoomed in on. But thanks for pointing out her concern.