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Author Topic:   Bring science to the Bible (Bring science to the Church)
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Message 6 of 59 (313307)
05-18-2006 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by freelancer
05-18-2006 6:44 PM


Well speaking as a Christian, there is lots and lots of stuff in the Bible that are factually wrong, maybe more that is factually wrong than right.

Biblical Creationism is one of the things that is totally wrong and infact, there is not just one Biblical Creation myth, there are two. It's not an issue of disproving the Bible, it's that so many Christian groups misuse and misunderstand the Bible, what it says and what its purpose is.

That is why every major Christian Church accepts the Theory of Evolution and opposes teaching Biblical Creationism.

It's very important to bring Science to the churches, to try to educate the ignorant Christians that are forcing their ignorance on to the young people in their churches. In the words of teh Clergy Project:

We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.


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Message 12 of 59 (313323)
05-18-2006 7:40 PM
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05-18-2006 7:17 PM


A true Christian believes that the entire hypothesis of evolutionism is physically, historically and spiritually invalid.

There is the classic exclusionary attitude of the little christians, the ones that worship an old anthology of anthologies instead of GOD, the ones that suffer from hubris and that deny the great gift of critical thinking that GOD gave all of us. It's sad. They are the people we really need to pity, to reach out to, to try to educate them if it is not already too late.

A person can easily be "anti-evolution" and not be a Christian but it is entirely impossible to be a Christian and believe in evolution at the same time.

What a sad little commentary, one that shows the christian who could make such a statement is deeply into blasphemy, into denying the very word of GOD, the universe he gave us. To quote again from the Clergy Project:

We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.


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jar
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Message 16 of 59 (313335)
05-18-2006 8:07 PM
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05-18-2006 7:38 PM


help stamp out ignorance and Biblical Creationism
Speaking as a Biblical Creationist and a Christian there is nothing "factually wrong" in the Bible.

I don't doubt that you believe that, however that is why we need to bring science into the churches, to try to educate the folk like you who have been lied to, been indoctrinated and kept in ignorance. We need to at least show then the overwhelming evidence that is out there. It is then up to them whether they use the gifts GOD gave them, or decide to remain wilfully ignorant.

That is what this forum, projects like the Clergy Letter, groups like Christian Alliance for Progress and other groups try to do. Christians are finally speaking out against the efforts by the Christian Right, the snakeoil salesmen like the 700 Club and the other televangelists. It's time to show not only is Biblical Creationism not science, it's not even good theology.


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Message 18 of 59 (313343)
05-18-2006 8:15 PM
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05-18-2006 8:02 PM


Well, this isn't the thread to show factual errors in the Bible but the Garden of Eden, Adam & Eve, the Flood, Exodus as described in the Bible, Joshuah, Judges, Kings and on and on are simply not factual. They were never meant to be factual any more than The Pied Piper of Hamelin was meant to be factual.

You're new here, but if you look around you will find many threads discussing the factual nature of the Bible. This thread though is about the advisability of bringing science into the Churches. Hopefully we will be able to show that unless someone is wilfully ignorant, there is no conflict between science and Christianity.


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Message 23 of 59 (313351)
05-18-2006 8:20 PM
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05-18-2006 8:17 PM


Would you mind doing me a huge favor? Would you find ONE single piece of evidence for evolution? One piece of evidence that proves that something in the Bible is wrong? I've already asked you to try and do that twice and you don't seem to be able or want to comply.

This is, as I said, not the thread to debate either of those. Join us in the proper threads.


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Message 50 of 59 (434068)
11-14-2007 9:15 AM
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11-14-2007 12:31 AM


Too bad.
Too bad. I almost always learn something from everyone of your posts.


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Message 53 of 59 (435543)
11-21-2007 3:28 PM
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11-21-2007 3:21 PM


Re: Too bad.
Good points, but I was thinking world-wide.

I should have said Almost all.

So if I offended anyone and if they think I might be saying their sect is not a major Christian Church, I apologize.


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