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Author Topic:   Some help from Creationists
nator
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Message 16 of 53 (183138)
02-04-2005 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by paisano
02-04-2005 12:42 PM


Re: Paisano, dude!
quote:
Guidelines were not broken by you or holmes. They were blatantly broken by other individuals.

OK.

quote:
In any case I'm not interested in dicussing politics.

I'll bet. LOL!

quote:
Now was there a science topic you wanted to discuss ?

Not at the moment, no, but I'll let you know.


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Andya Primanda
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Message 17 of 53 (183243)
02-05-2005 8:17 AM
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02-03-2005 11:55 AM


Age 23
State of Residence: usually Indonesia, currently UK
Marital status: Single :(
Education level: currently doing a masters
Religion: Islam
Occupation: student
Type: either TE or ME... or 'deistic evolution'
Why?: Evolution is obviously well supported, plus my religious background does not contradict evolution per se. So I can have my cake and eat it.

Although it can be difficult at times...

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nator
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Message 18 of 53 (183318)
02-05-2005 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CaptRuss
02-03-2005 11:55 AM


36
Michigan
Married
BS
non-religious, raised Catholic
Retail manager/food expert
ME
Reason:Evidence

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satrekker
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Message 19 of 53 (183412)
02-06-2005 3:55 AM
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02-03-2005 11:55 AM


Age: 38
State: Texas
Marital Status: Married
Education Level: B.S. Biology
Religious Affiliation: Christian
Occupation: Broker
Type: YEC
Why?: Evidence

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nator
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Message 20 of 53 (183483)
02-06-2005 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by satrekker
02-06-2005 3:55 AM


You have a Bachelors in Biology, satrekker?

From what school?


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paisano
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Message 21 of 53 (183484)
02-06-2005 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by nator
02-04-2005 4:11 PM


Re: Paisano, dude!
I'll bet. LOL!

Methinks you overestimate your prowess :)

If everyone in the political forums conducted themselves as you and holmes do, I might reconsider. However, I have no interest in a kindergarten sandbox environment. Branding one's opponents as "stupid", or worse, instead of engaging their arguments, is not the mark of an intellectual.

Not at the moment, no, but I'll let you know.

I'd enjoy it.


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Gary
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Message 22 of 53 (183488)
02-06-2005 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by satrekker
02-06-2005 3:55 AM


Sorry to make an off topic post, but how has your B.S. in Biology worked out for you? I'm a junior at the University of Florida majoring in Integrative Biology, and I'd like to know. Also, it seems that your education would conflict with a YEC standpoint - did you become a YEC after you graduated, or before? I apologize if I'm prying but I'm interested in knowing more about you.

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nator
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Message 23 of 53 (183611)
02-06-2005 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Gary
02-06-2005 11:19 AM


My spidey sense is telling me that it is quite unlikely that satrekker actually has a BS in Biology.

They wouldn't be the first Young Earther to fabricate credentials and expertise to sound more credible, if my suspicion is correct.


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Silent H
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Message 24 of 53 (183722)
02-07-2005 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by nator
02-06-2005 10:40 PM


While it is not beyond people to fudge their educational background, I find I can't dismiss it until I see them saying something completely wrong given their field.

I have known some very very smart people, and highly educated as well, that went from theistic evolutionists to pretty much creationists. They give a little wiggle room for OE rather than YE (though we may be fooled!) but otherwise it is the same.

It was shocking to see the tranformation, and one of them is a highly educated, and now very very well paid biologist. Of course I caught him pretty well plagiarizing ID material. This is how I discovered ID in the first place.

So yeah, people can even have advanced bio degrees and then lose control to faith.


holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)


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nator
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Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 25 of 53 (183977)
02-08-2005 4:02 PM
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02-07-2005 2:17 PM



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Arkansas Banana Boy
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Message 26 of 53 (184021)
02-08-2005 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by nator
02-08-2005 4:02 PM


Agreed schrafinator... thanks for the reference. Primordial soup, comparison to sponataneous generation, and second law of thermodynamics are indicative of a certain level of creationist supporter. There are better arguments to cut and paste... I mean trot out. I did not notice a high level of invective from the evolutionists in those posts, but it was probably on the way before the quick bow out. What I noticed was perhaps a lower level of staying power than most creos on this board.

Perhaps satrekker has been buffing up that Bio degree from Patriot U. and refined his arguments...and now has the time and energy to have at it. Brace yourself.

ABB

edited because i confused satrekker w/ paisano, so original post made little sense...apologies to all,particularly paisano

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Silent H
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Message 27 of 53 (184053)
02-09-2005 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by nator
02-08-2005 4:02 PM


I still think that this dude has no Bio degree. Check this out:

Yes, that would do quite nicely. Though I suppose it is possible for bio majors not to be up on the 2nd Law, the rest seems like gibberish.


holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)


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Quetzal
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Message 28 of 53 (184072)
02-09-2005 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Silent H
02-09-2005 5:06 AM


Indeed, my friend. Although a bio major may not be up on physics ("Physics? We don' need no steenkin' physics!"), the bit about spontaneous generation = ToE would be hard to justify if you've taken even high-school biology.

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Silent H
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Message 29 of 53 (184084)
02-09-2005 10:36 AM
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02-09-2005 8:45 AM


Heck, I was shocked how many biology, and worse still pre-med, students felt they didn't need chemistry.

(added in... nevermind this, just testing a strange glitch I am having with EvC.)

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)


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truthlover
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From: Selmer, TN
Joined: 02-12-2003


Message 30 of 53 (184178)
02-09-2005 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CaptRuss
02-03-2005 11:55 AM


Age: 43
State: TN
Marital Status: happy
Education Level: couple years of college
Religious Affiliation: Christian
Occupation: bookkeeper
Type of Creationist: TE

Why: Believe in God based on lots of experiences; believe in evolution based on arguments and evidence from the science side and reprehensible behavior from the YEC side.


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