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JRTjr Member (Idle past 3133 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
I have given ‘Evidence’; however, you seem to be torn between acknowledging it or rebutting it. Even though people use it as such today; ‘Christianity’ is not just a catch phrase that is attached to a religious doctrine; or group of religious doctrines. The evidence for Christianity being in the ‘Constitution of the United States of America’ is vested in the people who framed the Constitution; what they lived for, what they fought for; what they stood for, and who they were. This is why I bring up the Declaration of Independence. A document is not ‘Christian’ because it mentions ‘God’, ‘Christ’, ‘Heaven’, Etc. It is Christian if it is written by ‘Christians’, for ‘Christians’, to the edification of God All Mighty. I have offered the ‘Decoration of Independence’ as evidence of Americas Christian roots; saying that it has no barring because “It is not a US government document. It is a document prior to the formation of the United States.” is like saying that the concrete foundation is not part of the house because it was poured before the building went up. Once again, great to hear from you,
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 44 days) Posts: 16112 Joined: |
And apparently what they lived for, what they fought for, and what they stood for was not putting Christianity in the Constitution in any way, shape, or form. Which is why they didn't. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 3811 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
The authors of the Declaration of Independence edified God All Mighty? Wow...heavy hitters. But since the Constitution wasn't written for Christians but for all citizens, by your logic it is not a Christian document. Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale? -Shakespeare Real things always push back.
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 3133 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Dr Adequate,
I would love to address every point you made; however, our posts would only get longer and longer. So I will only address two of your points. Sorry.
Where, in the Constitution of the United States of Americas, is “establishment” Forbidden?
Where, in an American Court, has any book (other than the Bible) ever been used to affirm the Oath to tell the truth? Great Fun,
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North Carolina Judge: Court Witnesses Can Take Oath With Koran RALEIGH, N.C. — A Wake County judge ruled Thursday that any religious text can be used to swear in a witness or juror in the state's courtrooms, not just the Bible. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/...,2933,275266,00.html#ixzz1FJEcOPcx
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RAZD Member (Idle past 233 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi JRTjr.
So, in this case then, as it is written by Deists, so the Constitution is Deist, yes? quote: Clearly a Deist reference. NOT your Christian "God All Mighty" ... sorry. Or your logic sucks (just one of many possibilities).
It's easy to actually read the documents involved you know. http://www.archives.gov/...rs/bill_of_rights_transcript.html quote: Bold added. Doesn't get clearer than that. All amendments become part of the constitution by definition. Simply stated the congress cannot pass any laws that favor or disfavor any of all the world's religions. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : added amendment #1 by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
You ever heard of the first amendment? quote: I am not going to link to a source on the internet. You should be able to find it on your own. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 3133 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Catholic Scientist,
Great to hear from you. I Hope you’re not going to be too disappointed, however, I will only be able to respond to one or two points in each post. Sorry.
Where is the law that “religion shall not be established”? Hope to hear from you soon,
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Still no evidence I see. Gee, colour me surprised.
Are you ready to admit there is no evidence of christianity in the US Constitution?
I am not sure what this mumbo-jumbo means, but I think you are trying to say that it is what you believe so it is true. Am I right? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 3133 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Catholic Scientist,
Great hearing from you again.
Everybody knows Santa Claus lives at the North Pole to; that does not make it so. ;-} Your “Deistic god” theory would hold water if most or all of the signers were modern day Deists; However, as I pointed out in post #231 at least 75% of the signers were Christians. So, unless you can provide substantial evidence to the contrary I stand on the evidence that says it is the Christian God being spoken of. Hope to hear from you again,
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RAZD Member (Idle past 233 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Theodoric,
Amusingly we have this little document of historical import: http://www.usconstitution.net/constframe.html quote: Curiously, though each member is described, only one has any mention of religious affiliation listed. From this we can easily conclude that the religious affiliations of the members was not a matter of importance among those writing the constitution. Christians keep trying to re-write history, but unfortunately - for them - history is not so kind as to change because they want it to. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 3133 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Jar,
Great to hear from you again.
Jar, please, listen to your self; first you say “there is no Christian Creation story. Note, that is singular. That is also a fact.” So, according to you, there is no “Christian Creation story” Then you say “Christianity, Islam and Judaism have several creation myths (Stories)” So which is it: ‘No Creation story/myth’ or ‘several Creation stories/myths’? Lastly, can you give me an example where Geneses Chapter 1 directly contradicts Chapters 2 or 3? Great fun sparring with you,
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 44 days) Posts: 16112 Joined: |
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 3133 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Jar,
In a “comparative religion class” it would be up to the teachers/school board with religions would be represented in there creation myths. Since the original question did not mention a class of study I simply assume the question was aimed at science since that is where the controversy lays. Hope to hear from you again soon,
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 3133 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Rrhain,
Great to hear from you. I am sorry, however, I will only be able to respond to one or two of your comments.
Really, so you can demonstrate this hu? Some one has actually seen a cow deliver a bat, or a cat bear a dog, or something like that? As far as I know, cats have always delivered cats; cows have always borne cows, etc, etc, etc.
Really, so, something like the equivalent of every letter, in every book, in the entire Library of Congress is not “information rich”? Hope to hear from you soon,
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