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Author Topic:   Does Evolution Require Spreading The Word?
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Message 6 of 135 (319141)
06-08-2006 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teets_Creationist
06-08-2006 7:01 AM


I would like to see a debate arise about wether 10+10=20. That won't happen, know why? Because nobody needs to be told it. Everyone already knows it. You wouldn't see a mathematician going haywire on a forum, because someone said 10+10=30. He would dismiss them. Know why? Because there's no threat to his belief that 10+10=20, because that's set in stone.

we tried dismissing creationism. but it doesn't work. they have more and more converts every year.

there is no debate about whether or not evolution happens, and how it explains the diversity of life on this planet, in the scientific community. biologists just as easily dismiss these kind of claims.

Is it necessary to promote evolution?

only because creationists are trying to get their distortions into schools, and taught as science.

Why is it so critical people believe it? - When someone is wrong, or doing something wrong, and they know it, it seems to be human nature to find others to take down with you. The more people you fool, the more you fool yourself. If evolution were fact, there would be as many debates on it as there is on 10+10 doesn't equal 20. (I hope there are no debates like that!)

imagine a group came out that insisted that arithmetic was just faith, and 10+10=30. they tried to get this idea into schools by promoting that we "teach the controversy" etc.

why would it be neccessary to debate these fools?


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Message 9 of 135 (319188)
06-08-2006 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by nwr
06-08-2006 3:45 PM


This may come as a surprise to you, but I actually see a lot more effort spent is spreading the word on mathematics than on spreading the word on evolution. Perhaps it is because I am a mathematician that I am aware of this effort.

what field of math are you in, nwr? my father is a graph theorist, and i grew up in the math department of the local university. i attend an international conference on graph theory, combinatorics, and computing every year at the university... (i'd find it really funny if i actually knew you outside of evc...)

Most scientists, and not just biologists, are offended by high handed and dishonest attempts of creationists to dictate that their thoroughly unscientific views be taught in the science class.

my father was particularly offended by a recent bill that was passed that said that professor were not allowed to ridicule the beliefs of their students, even by means of a line of questions.

that's right, here in florida, they outlawed the socratic method. there goes the foundation of all knowledge. and people wonder why we're on the defensive...

Edited by arachnophilia, : typo


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Message 11 of 135 (319206)
06-08-2006 4:45 PM
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06-08-2006 4:36 PM


You use the 10 + 10 = 20 vs. 30 argument which is actually a great way of demonstrating that the theory of evolution is in fact correct. If you were to remove all knowledge of arithmatic from the world, we would quickly relearn that 1+1=2 and so on.

ironically, mathematics is the only true faith. if you remove the fundamental principles of arithmetic, everything else falls too. we could deduce arithmetic -- but there'd be nothing left to deduce it from.


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Message 29 of 135 (335908)
07-28-2006 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by randman
07-28-2006 1:10 AM


Re: It's not science, imo
Evolutionism has a messianic and religious aspect to it.

ok, i've heard the religious line before.

but messianic? how so?


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Message 32 of 135 (335921)
07-28-2006 4:13 AM
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07-28-2006 4:06 AM


Re: It's not science, imo
ah, ok, thanks for the clarification.

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Message 92 of 135 (339120)
08-11-2006 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Dr Adequate
08-10-2006 9:36 PM


People remember hymns, after all. Whereas they forget science.

all i remember from chemistry is:

quote:
Johnny was a chemist, but Johnny is no more.
What he thought was H2O was H2SO4!

What the heck are you playing at?

clinton did it too!


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