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Author Topic:   evolution vs. creationism: evolution wins
Phat
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Message 7 of 310 (87799)
02-20-2004 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by verbiskit
02-19-2004 2:20 PM


verbiskits big project
I have to do a presentation that convinces people that evolution is the truth and creationism is a lie. Can anyone help me understand them both a little bit more?
I would agree that you have a good chance of convincing people of evolution on earth. If you are attempting to disprove God in any way that He is personal and that He is able to influence events on earth, I think that your effort will NOT succeed. You cannot tell someone who has smelled the coffee and tasted of it that coffee does not exist. Otherwise, I hope that you have a good presentation,verbiskit.

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Phat
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Message 14 of 310 (87865)
02-21-2004 3:55 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by NosyNed
02-21-2004 12:46 AM


EvC Courtroom..where is Judge Judy?
Basically, Ned is correct. We are like a giant courtroom of public evidence. For those of us who are Believers, God definitely exists! We cannot prove this as a fact that is verifiable to the satisfaction of the jury, however. The Atheists will try and write it all off as ancient superstition and the byproduct of man attempting to control man through Dogma. They have satisfied their own belief, yet they too can not convince the jury. The scientists and rational people like you, Ned...you are friends of the jury. The jury really likes you guys, and you keep the whole thing together! Court is NOW in session!

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Message 22 of 310 (87891)
02-21-2004 1:57 PM
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02-19-2004 2:53 PM


Further Clarification and reflection
Sometimes as I read the posts of other thinkers and as I write my own, I become quite philosophical. So I will attempt to do so again.
TrueCreation writes:
Creation is a theory that is declared by religion, then spends all its time desperately trying to defend itself.
As the famous quote goes "Evolution takes the evidence and makes a conclusion. Creation makes a conclusion then looks for evidence".
Here is my philosophy. Lets take an Apple. Any good scientist will be able to tell you the source of the creation of the apple in biocentric terms. Any Biblical Literalist may search the scripture and conclude only that God created the apple. If we take the intelligence necessary to assemble the apple, we either arrive at spontaneous evolutionary process apart from God, or we conclude that truly in the beginning, God had plans for that apple which would exist 15 billion some odd years later. Thus, again, the question becomes a philosophical and a spiritual one. Did the Universe evolve in the divine dance of life, energy and matter? Or did God create it?

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