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Author Topic:   evolution vs. creationism: evolution wins
mf
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Message 56 of 310 (94809)
03-25-2004 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Percy
02-21-2004 8:37 AM


Re: The Great Evolutionist Conspiracy
Guess what? They misled you.
I, despite being a creationist, agree. There is so much misinformation. BUT... Both sides are biased. Both will distort information. One example is Kent Hovind. Another example is my biology textbook from last year (haha ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny? my biology teacher even still believed that garbage). Obviously, Kent Hovind isn't completely useless, but I do think he gives a bad name to scientists who are seriously trying to prove that large scale evolution (ie. two species that are unable to reproduce, even by something like forced reproduction [implanting DNA in to an egg]) is invalid. Please be respectful and admit that some very talented people have some very good ideas on the creationist side. I must admit that it is the same for evolution.

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mf
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Message 59 of 310 (94826)
03-25-2004 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by JonF
03-25-2004 8:05 PM


Re: The Great Evolutionist Conspiracy
I am pretty sure that it is the 1998 edition of the ever so popular (number one seller!) "Biology: The Dynamics of Life," published by McGraw-Hill and written by Alton Biggs!
[link]http://www7.tamu-commerce.edu/thepride/spring2002/pg7.htm[/link]
From what I can remember, there is a figure depicting the similarities between embryos, but I cannot remember what they say about it. I can just remember telling my science teacher "No, we don't have gills when we are embryos, that's a lie," and him responding something like "well I do believe that there are alot of lies in evolution, but we do have gills as embryos!"
This made me mad.
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mf
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Message 61 of 310 (94841)
03-25-2004 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by crashfrog
03-25-2004 8:53 PM


So you are almost supporting the theory that Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny? Hmmm...
And how was I wrong? Please explain? I said "no we don't have gills." Was I wrong? Please explain how pharyngeal pouches are the same as gills in any way?

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mf
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Message 64 of 310 (94937)
03-26-2004 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Quetzal
03-26-2004 9:29 AM


I think I'll have to go with MF on this one crash
Thanks Quetzal!
MF was right
i'm flattered!
MF has a point
Wow I have gained new respect for this forum!
Anyways,
Yes the drawings are VERY misleading, especially when they don't even have adequate explanation to go along with them. It is just a very misleading picture without an explanation. This textbook also makes natural species hybridization out to be a very common event... which it is not all that common.

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mf
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Message 66 of 310 (94949)
03-26-2004 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Quetzal
03-26-2004 11:46 AM


don't suppose you have the passage handy to quote
No sorry not in that class anymore. I will see if I can find it sometime.

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mf
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Message 67 of 310 (94950)
03-26-2004 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Quetzal
03-26-2004 11:46 AM


Oh yes in your book it isn't nearly as bad as I remember it in my book. But that was some time ago. The drawings in my book barely had much information with them.

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