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crashfrog
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Message 2 of 33 (87516)
02-19-2004 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dyno
02-19-2004 1:52 PM


we are haveing a huge ddebate at our school on evilution V.S. creation
Tell ya what. How about, you don't refer to people who cleave to scientific explanations as "evil" and I won't refer to creationists as "boobs."
Maybe the reason you're getting your butt handed to you is because you're trying to substitute ad hominem for argument, and your opposition won't let you play that game? Just a thought.
Well, if you want to prove creationism, you'll have to prove:
1) That God exists
2) That the Bible is a literal record
3) That there's a physical barrier to species change
for starters. Then you'll have to explain the stuff that the scientific model does:
1) A well-ordered fossil record
2) Genetic evidence of common ancestry
3) Why the Earth appears to be as old as it does
4) Why we can observe things in the universe that must be older than 6,000 years old
5) Why there appear to be no major discontinuities between species
6) Why organisms just don't seem to be "designed" that intelligently
Good luck. If you can prove creationism, you'll be the first.

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crashfrog
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Message 5 of 33 (87520)
02-19-2004 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Dyno
02-19-2004 2:14 PM


ok, see god can not come into the subject because it is beleif.
What else is creationism if not the position that "God created everything?"
If you can't talk about God, what are you going to talk about?

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crashfrog
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Message 31 of 33 (114317)
06-11-2004 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Monsieur_Lynx
06-10-2004 11:58 PM


Because marine crabs & land crabs evolved from a common crablike ancestor hardly counts as proof that crabs, humans, amebas, and trees all evolved from a common ancestor!!
Given that the only difference between crabs, humans, ameobas, and trees is the content of their genes, then yes, it does constitute evidence that all those evolved from a common ancestor.
What would it take to go from that ancestor to a human or a tree? Genetic change. Well, we've got a mechanism that will provide that change.
If you think there's a barrier in the way, that's fine, but you have to show us what and where it is, and how it works. It's not enough - it's not even coherent - to simply say "I say there's a barrier and you have to prove me wrong."

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