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Author Topic:   20 years of the Creation/ID science curriculum
Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 305 (452496)
01-30-2008 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tanypteryx
01-26-2008 2:22 PM


Sometime Within 20 Years
So let us try to imagine what America is like 20 years after the creation/ID science curriculum becomes the law of the land.
Sometime within 20 years:
1. They might discuss/study/debate some of the displays and claims of the creationist museums whereas now they're pretty much ignored or pshawed as bogus.
2. Much if not most of the creo museum display is actual observable evidence of something relative to archeological research, excavation etc. This could be studied/debated/discussed relative to both ideologies.
3. Likely secularists would finally research the Nuweiba beach/sandbar at Aquaba and the corroborating evidence in the region relative to the Biblical Exodus. That's just one example of things needing more research etc.
4. The Biblical global flood then being on the table, other perspectives than the conventional would be studied relative to pre-flood atmospheric conditions, terrarium possibilities and what effect a pre-flood atmosphere might have on modern dating methodology, etc.
5. Things like levitation and such might be discussed relative to claims of the accult as is claimed.
6. Phenomena of particles, etc which appear to emerge in and out of existence might be discussed relative to metaphysical phenomena such as unseen powers in view of observed behavior of humans involving good and evil unseen powers/beings we call angels and demons. These have been widely into human cultures from the beginning of recorded history. Are these related to particle phenomena, etc. These might be on the table.
7. Mathmatical probabilities of abiogenesis, RM and NS might be included in science curriculum. Other math probability studies might be the corroborative multitudes of properties of atmosphere, solar system positions, earth properties, etc needful for life to even exist. These all would be open to study.
8. Funding might be more evenhanded to include some aspects of nonconventional research, archeology and studies.
9. More creo research and study would flush out the false and lend credibility to the factual relative to all aspects of scientific study, archeology and research.
10. The stigma might be somewhat alleviated relative to creo peer review accessability and employment fairhandedness.
I could go on and on. If the playing field were leveled for all imo, we'd all be a whole lot more apprised and intelligent. The kiddies all the way up through higher education would then be knowledgeable so as to decide for themselves what to think rather than to have exclusive conventionalist mush stuffed into their heads throughout their lives.
Edited by Buzsaw, : add title and quote

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 305 (452853)
01-31-2008 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Tanypteryx
01-30-2008 4:39 PM


Re: Sometime Within 20 Years
Tanyptterix writes:
Most of them have been discussed and debated (here on this forum for example) and they have been refuted by real evidence. We call them PRATTs.
We're not talking discussion here. We're talking out where the rubber meets the road in the educational institutions, the media, more indepth research etc involving the secularist community.
Why should secularists do this research? What is stopping IDists from conducting this research right now? If they actually find something significant I would expect archaeologists would be clamoring to study them.
Because it's them who pshaw it. Creationists have done the research and all the work so far. Let the naysayers put up or shut up by falsification if they think they can. But no, they refuse to even look at it. All they do is badmouth the research creationists are doing having dug up no evidence to support their allegations.
There is no evidence that a global flood occurred and there is also no evidence that the laws of physics, with regard to dating methodologies, changed after this mythological flood.
Biblicalists believe there is evidence. It's all in how you interpret it. Let both POVs be debated, discussed and studied in debth in the schools so as for the students to make up their own minds.
Well, you got me on this one. I had no idea that no one was allowed to research levitation. I would like to know how they do it, too.
There is some out there on this. For example I have a book some place in my stuff which I read authored by a Baptist pastor who was brought up in the spiritism accult who was present in groups engaging in such practices. Perhaps some of this could be analysed along with other metaphysical phenomena in educational studies whereas currently it's simply ignored as if it nothing relative to it is being practiced in society.
Do you have any methodologies that might be used to study the correlation between particle behavior and angels and demons and how that relates to good and evil?
Not specifically, but perhaps the fact that unseen powers have been assumed by nearly all cultures throughout human history could be indicative that there could be some connection.
They are open to study right now. The IDists should be jumping on this.
IDists are jumping on math probabilities, but that's as far as it gets. The science departments in the educational institutions and conventional science pretty much sweep this sort of thing under the proverbial rug.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 305 (452912)
01-31-2008 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by randman
01-31-2008 6:22 PM


Re: one thing is clear
randman writes:
You'd think if they felt their views were so much more supported factually that they would welcome the chance to have them presented side by side with their critics, but that's not the case.
This is true. I've alluded to that as well. If ID is as nonsensical as our counterparts like to think it is what better way for them to show that to be the case than to educate students regarding both POVs side by side.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 44 of 305 (453323)
02-01-2008 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Trixie
01-31-2008 6:47 PM


Re: one thing is clear
Trixie writes:
I can think of one better way and they did that in Dover. If you want to discuss that, why not post in the Significance of Dover thread, after all thats what you seem to be discussing here.
Perhaps you missed these points which I put forth for responses.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 305 (453324)
02-01-2008 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Coyote
01-31-2008 5:32 PM


Re: Sometime Within 20 Years
Coyote writes:
Which two POVs would those be? You have science on one hand, what is the other? I expect that it is really religion.
Hi Coyote. Welcome, btw. Since you're a new member perhaps you should search back into the archives and you will find things like the Nuweiba/Aqaba Exodus region where scientific research was conducted as an example of some of the ID creation science having been done.
If you place your curser on any "Buzsaw" usernames on the page you will get my posting profile. You can then go back until you find some science related ID debates like the Exodus research.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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