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Originally posted by Quetzal:True, Darwin never said we evolved from monkeys. Neither has any other evolutionary biologist since Darwin. Curiously, the only people I've ever heard say this are those self-same scientifically illiterate fundamentalists. Wonder why?
--OWMs (old-world monkeys) (...is what the Evo indeed states) makes a monkey out of all of us, no? Might as well tell my kid he's a worthless monkey-boy, but that he didn't evolve from monkeys.
And that we were created from a handful of dust is more dignified how? The spiritual truth of Genesis 2 is that we are indeed made of the same stuff of the earth as every other created thing. And you are still wrong; the exact evolutionary relationship between our line and that of the OWM is extremely obscure. This is not surprising, given that arboreal animals are not ideal candidates for fossilisation.
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Oh Q! Why can't we keep evolution out of grade school in the same manner that it is kept out of medical school? We doctors don't use it because its not expedient for anything.
Nor is English Literature. You don't do Shakespeare in med school either. Should this be an argument for not doing it at school?
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Moreover, it makes us look like idiots when we talk it in front of our patients: e.g., "Mrs. Jones, the arch of your foot is collapsing because Lucy-the ape-man's foot developed a bunion." (etc.).
It would if you spoke rubbish like that. On the other hand, if you pointed out that back pain is a widespread problem partially because the vertebral column originally evolved as a horizontal support, and does not function quite so well vertically, you would be making sense.
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At a local (public) community college in NC, we the students (in order to form a more perfect class) were able to oust out the ToE from our biology classes (with instructor approval) in order to learn true and relevent biological science.
And choosing ignorance of a major part of modern biology makes the class more perfect how?
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Surely, we can do the same at the grade school level, via pressure by a minority of concerned parents. The paradigm has already been ousted from many of Alabama's public schools via such pressure.
And this is a great disservice to the students in those schools. Of course, it allows you lot to ensure the next generation is as ignorant of science as you have chosen to be.
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Have we broken the federal law at the state level, Q? Our schools have enough competition-type problems: teaching tyranical evolutionary schemes is easily thwarted (in Alabama), by even just one or 2 concerned spokesman like myself. Why? Because, the ToE is so ridiculed by us fundies, simpletons, drunks, widows, negroes, rednecks, and sincere folk, etc., that any e-word usually becomes quickly extradited to Yankee/Babylonian domains up north.
Ridicule is easy, and generally resorted to when reason fails. How about actually proposing a scientific alternative hypothesis, testing it, submitting it for peer review and replacing the reigning theory? You'd probably win a Nobel Prize for that.
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Sorry, we just ain't got time for it, Q.
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And therefore you wish to deny your children the right to learn about it. Fie on you!
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