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ringo
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Message 58 of 105 (437221)
11-29-2007 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Beretta
11-29-2007 9:26 AM


Beretta writes:
quote:
Modern bananas were domesticated by humans from a plantain mutation
Which contained all the genetic material found in a modern banana -nothing added; some information lost perhaps, but not added.
That argument has never made any sense to me. How does rearranging the bits and pieces on a DNA molecule change the amount of information? Rearranging the letters in a sentence changes the meaning, but not the amount of information.
In a science class, how would you show that mutations cause a change in the amount of information? And how would you show that the simple rearrangement of bits of a molecule always causes a decrease in information?

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ringo
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Message 61 of 105 (437235)
11-29-2007 11:21 AM
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11-29-2007 11:05 AM


Re: Decrease in genetic information
Hoot Mon writes:
... I'd say that any mutation that reduces the number of alleles in a population would also decrease that population's genetic information.
What "population"? I'm talking about one DNA molecule. Gamma ray zings past and bumps a few atoms over a notch or two. How is there a change in "amount" of information at that level?

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ringo
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Message 63 of 105 (437250)
11-29-2007 12:10 PM
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11-29-2007 11:47 AM


Re: Decrease in genetic information
Hoot Mon writes:
If your DNA molecule lost an allele by way of mutation why doesn't that mean that your DNA molecule suffered a decrease in genetic information?
The topic has to do with what is taught in science classes. What I'm asking has to do with how it would be taught in science classes.
In a science class, if they teach that mutations are rearrangements of the DNA molecule, how would IDists show that those rearrangements can only produce a net decrease in information?

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ringo
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Message 96 of 105 (437716)
12-01-2007 2:57 AM
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12-01-2007 2:26 AM


Re: Genetic information
Beretta writes:
-and lest I be suspended once again, let me get back on topic.
So how about answering a question from the OP?
quote:
When not teaching the conventional science syllabus, how much time should be apportioned to ID and how much to the Maharishi's work? On what basis would you make these apportions? Message 1
Edited by Ringo, : Spellings.

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