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Taz
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Message 22 of 105 (384884)
02-13-2007 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by EpicThought
02-12-2007 11:01 AM


Re: Christianity != ID
Just so you know, the Catholic church, which is the most powerful and influencial christian church in the world, officially recognizes evolution as "truth" while dismissing creationism or ID.

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Taz
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Message 27 of 105 (384967)
02-13-2007 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by bluegenes
02-13-2007 1:53 PM


Re: Christianity != ID
bluegenes writes:
Hasn't the present Pope, arch-conservative (and ex-nazi youth) that he is, been making sympathetic noises towards I.D. recently?
Just to make it clear, supposedly, according to him, he was forced into the nazi youth. Well, if you were german you had to join it to live.
But yes, he has been very sympathetic to the creo and ID movement. However, much of the cardinals and church leaders are against creo and ID while advocating evolution. Also, Pope John Paul II officially recognized evolution as "truth" when he addressed the science council of Europe. The current pope hasn't made endorsed creo and ID in such a manner, not yet anyway.
And why is it that I.D. always seems to appeal to right-wingers? We know it's a religious movement, but if it's political as well, then there's a double reason to be wary of teaching it in science classes.
While I was in college a century ago, one of my biology professors gave us a reason why ID should not be taught in science classrooms, and to this day I still think this is the best reason out of all the reasons I have heard for us NOT to teach ID in school.
The reason is quite simple. So, let us recognize that there are signs of design all around us and that there must be an intelligent designer, whether it's the Judeo-christian god or not. Now what? Simply put, ID leads us to nowhere. It is little better than the age old "goddunit" reason to explain everything. There is absolutely no benefits (scientifically at least) to recognize a supernatural being pulling the strings of everything.
My bio prof said that he tried to find any literature or paper on ID to find if ID could possibly lead us to anything that would benefit mankind. He couldn't find any. Now, remember that this was quite a few years ago. To this date, there is still not a single benefitial aspect to society that ID could present. The theory of evolution has lead us to many discoveries that have saved countless lives. ID, on the other hand, seems to only want us to resort back to the old "goddunit" explanation for everything... you know like when we were in the dark ages.
Ultimately, it's just biology, and biology tells us nothing about how we should organize our socio-economic systems, and cannot be the property of either left or right.
Not necessarily... but that's another story.

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