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Author Topic:   An educational angle we all could live with? (Philosophy of Science)
Alasdair
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Message 30 of 91 (209103)
05-17-2005 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Limbo
05-16-2005 4:34 PM


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I think that the biggest reason religion has a problem with Darwinism is that the science classes do a piss-poor job of explaining the philosophical and social implications of Darwinism, and how these implications conflict with the day-to-day philosophies and social values of many people.
Why would it need to? It's a SCIENCE class.
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Its almost like science is saying, "We are science. We dont care about the social, philosophical, or religious effect our theories have."
Exactly - why would science care about what effect it has on people? It's all about the accumulation of knowledge. Let the politicians and priests sort out the implications.
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"Be quiet, dont think about it, and dont question us."
It's more "This is the best explanation based on the evidence so far, like it or not. The ball's in your court now"

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Alasdair
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Message 31 of 91 (209105)
05-17-2005 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Limbo
05-17-2005 3:26 AM


Re: The Full Biology Curriculum
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Mainstream science looks all the way back...and everything is accidental says science. No room anywhere for another interpretation of the evidence, not just biology. Im sorry, but no matter how you slice it, thats narrow.
I can see you haven't done your homework, or are just fond of using loaded terms like "Accidental" - evolution isn't 100% random. The random mutations are passed through the non-random filter of natural selection. Try it for yourself with a bucket of 100 pennies. Pour it out on a surface, and put all of the pennies that land tails up back into the bucket. They are dead. Pour out those pennies again, and repeat until you have all 100 pennies heads up. Oops! You've just produced an event that has a 1/(2^100) chance of happening..."by accident" !
By the way, what is the ID "interpretation of the evidence"? All I see is a giant argument from ignorance - I don't know how this worked, so Goddiddit!
On another note, I think that the underlying philosophy behind the scientific method should be taught - ie, the methodology, etc. The schools do a crappy job of that as of yet, it should be taught in the first few weeks of every science class. But why on earth would ID be dragged into it?
This message has been edited by Alasdair, May-17-2005 02:12 PM

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Alasdair
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Message 69 of 91 (209405)
05-18-2005 2:50 PM
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05-18-2005 2:11 AM


Re: The Full Biology Curriculum
"Science" didn't say that. Richard Dawkins did.
That quote is irrelevant anyway.

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