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Message 16 of 69 (188467)
02-25-2005 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Vercingetorix
02-25-2005 9:52 AM


As a Christian Evolutionist
I really need to correct a couple points you've made and also give you a tip.

TIP. When you read this, click on the button marked PEEK and you'll see how I created the effects.

I think that Science and the scietific method are both part of the Positivist Philosophy, and there fore trying to PROVE!

You're wrong there. Science actually holds theories to be tentative. They are not proven, unlike proofs in the field of mathematics. Evolution, that things did change may well be a fact, but the Theory of Evolution, like the Theory of Relativity, is held only tentatively. They are both subject to change as more evidence is gathered.

look i think that creationism is the least likely scenario, but if i am true to my scientific roots, TOE is more likely, but until proven, still wrong.

If you said tentative instead of wrong you'd be right on.

FAITH, has no place in SCIENCE!

Correct.


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jar
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Message 18 of 69 (188474)
02-25-2005 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Vercingetorix
02-25-2005 10:33 AM


Re: As a Christian Evolutionist
so you are certainly uncertain about evolution and relativity?
that doesn't sound very scientific to me.

I am VERY certain about Evolution. It's a fact. I know for a fact that the Biblical Creation stories are incorrect. Those are facts.

Now we get to Theory. Right now the best explanation we have for the factual evidence that's there are the Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Relativity (as modified in some cases under GR). But those are still held tentatively. Look at the first definition you posted.

Main Entry: ten·ta·tive
Pronunciation: 'ten-t&-tiv
Function: adjective
Etymology: Medieval Latin tentativus, from Latin tentatus, past participle of tentare, temptare to feel, try
1 : not fully worked out or developed

Not fully worked out or developed. We are constantly modifying scientific theory as more is learned. There is much more yet to be learned about both the TOE and the relationship of forces that govern this universe.

well I agree that TOE is tentative. it is very uncertain, and a faith call and since you agree that FAITH has no place in SCIENCE, how can you take that leap (of faith) for TOE?
because I cannot.

No faith is required. Instead, the TOE is the best explanation available, as you said, based on the evidence. If, in the future something is discovered that falsifies the TOE then either the theory will change or a new theory will replace it. I do know for a fact that it will NOT be the creation tales from Genesis. They have already been falsified.


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