Dover science teachers refuse to read ID disclaimer

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Of course in Europe these kind of things are much worse even. After USA children leave highschool, and get to more private education institutions, the educationlevel of the USA pupil surpasses that of the European in a few years, simply because they actually learn what they want, and not what the government tells them to learn.

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I am a European. Please offer your source for this statement or retract it.In Irish universities, first-year students choose their course to start with, i.e. I chose Earth Science. My first two years in university was spent getting a thorough grounding in this subject before I specialised in geology. Obviously, we do not have a major or minor system; once you chose your course, you must take the modules relevent to your course. You are also expected to take a certain number of basic modules - because I entered the faculty of Science, I, like every other science student regardless of their course, had to take chemistry or physics, and biology.Secondary schools are the same in that they concentrate on attaining a basic education in a wide range of subjects, rather than allowing students to focus on a few chosen areas. So, when I left school to go to college, I had a good education in several languages, several science subjects, mathematics and geography. I have yet to understand why the U.S. does it differently.If you mean that the government wants us to learn about a wide range of subjects, then yes, we learn what they want. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.The Rockhound

I was told that in the US students do fewer subjects that they pick themselves. In comparison, Irish students can only choose very few of their subjects, and have to do a certain number of what are considered fundamental sunjects, like Maths, English and Irish.Maybe I was told wrong.This message has been edited by IrishRockhound, 02-15-2005 15:00 AM

Guys, I have to admit, I was really despairing there for a while, but now my faith in humanity - and more importantly in Americans - has been reaffirmed.From this side of the pond the whole Dover thing made Americans look very, very stupid and possibly blinded by religious fanaticism... now I know that isn't the case, but I read EvCForum - I have insider knowledge as it were. Seeing such an intelligent and eloquent rebuttal to ID, written by someone in power no less, is a big turn-around.Congradulations, you don't look like idiots anymore!

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