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AdminOmni Inactive Member |
Relative, I presume it is not your religion that prompts you to believe that flippant personal insults and dismissals constitute productive debate. Please try to tackle the speech rather than the speaker. Otherwise, I predict (with a high degree of both scientific and spiritual certainty) that you will take some time off from the forum.
Trust me.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I noticed that you responded to the {Age Correlations, step by step}. If you agree we can move that to the {Great Debate} forum and waive the "rules" of the science forums.
It is long because you refuse to {answer\clarify\resolve} issues with your assertions in previous posts while continually adding new assertions. If we can {answer\clarify\resolve} those old issues then we can move on to new ones without more clutter.
It is about you supporting and defending your arguments rather than make reckless statement after reckless statement. Of course, if you won't defend your arguments after they have been shown to be erroneous, or after serious problems with them have been pointed out, that is your choice - it leaves your arguments in a "refuted until new defense provided" status. The only other logical conclusion is that you can't defend your assertions, rather than won't. Your choice.
I'll take it that every single undefended (reckless) assertion your have made that has been {criticized\critiqued\refuted} is in a "refuted until new defense provided" status. Not because I am mean spirited or callous, but because you have abandoned the (reckless) assertions that you have not defended.
I know of no scientific prediction that our galaxy will "crash" into another - can you give me an instance of this? Which galaxy and at what future time would also be welcome. Otherwise this is just speculation that you are equating (falsely) with science.
That is a scientific prediction based on the amount of Hydrogen in the sun, as are the stages that the sun would go through before then. Those predictions are based on observations of other stars similar in size and composition to the sun. It is also not anything we need to worry about for several millennia.
Another reckless statement? Strangely I am unaware of a single significant prediction of any consequence. Perhaps someone of your expertise could provide an example of a prediction that {X} will happen at {Y} time and location, and then show me that this specific {X} indeed did happen in {Y} time and location? Remember that you think I have trouble connecting the dots, so I will need direct correlations of {X} in one to {X} in the other and of {Y} in one to {Y} in the other.
Does this mean you are not an expert on prophesy and thus cannot provide the example requested above? I also notice that you did not address the issue of conflicts between different faiths. Equivocating on the term "religion" doesn't answer the question on these conflicts.
In other words you cannot demonstrate that two people - even of the same faith - are talking about the same god no matter how much they think they are.
Nope. Delusional at best, and only those who are irrational, such as those that believe that the earth is flat and the sun orbits around it. Such as those that ignore and deny evidence that is available. If what you believe is contradicted by evidence it is irrational to continue to believe it. If you continue to believe it in spite of the evidence then you are being irrational.
Nope. As already demonstrated before (are you ignoring the evidence? Or is this just where you stopped reading?) science involves predictions and testing:
It doesn't matter whether that prediction is about what happened in the past or what may happen in the future, theory {A} is tentatively accepted as valid as long as {B} keeps happening and {C} does not happen -- because the evidence points that way. Belief would mean believing a theory is still true after it has been invalidated. Science doesn't do that.
More reckless assertions. You really should have read Radiometric Dating -
Ignoring the evidence, denial of the evidence, does not make the evidence go away. There is no evidence of any change in the radioactive decay of elements. The ratio of parent to daughter elements and isotopes gives the same age for the earth for several different dating systems. Either we have radioactive decay operating in the past in the same way as today or we have God=Loki.
Conveniently so you don't have to defend any other reckless statements? Just remember that I'll take it that every single undefended (reckless) assertion your have made that has been {criticized\critiqued\refuted} is in a "refuted until new defense provided" status. This applies to the rest of the post that you skip here -- because you have abandoned the (reckless) assertions that you have not defended. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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simple ![]() Inactive Suspended Member |
??? Why is this stuff supposed to be a reply to me?
Later on==== Edited by whisper, : No reason given.
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lfen Member (Idle past 3462 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Everytime I see this patented, trademarked, copywrited refutation of science based on the assertion that the laws of the universe have changed since the Fall, or Flood, or whenever I think simple is back and up to his stupid debate tricks again. If it isn't him, then someone is cloning his gimmick. lfen
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 5138 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
If you hover your mouse pointer over whisper's name on one of his posts it will show that it is indeed just an alias of simple (and arkathon and...)
Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after
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lfen Member (Idle past 3462 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Ack, you are right! I never knew about that extremely handy feature. Thanks!
Well, I'll waste no more time with him. I thought he had been permantly banned for his reliance on last thursdayism? lfen
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2160 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: |
simple was suspended and he just kept re-registering under new names. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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RAZD Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes it's a cutie. You call also click on the {PROFILE} button to see the whole list: 14gipper You can also click on the name and you will get a list of the sites where the person has been posting. You can get an idea of their interests from the list, and also of their relative responsiveness by the number of "yes"es for responses unanswered.
Maybe every thursday he is reincarnated ...? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Portillo Member (Idle past 2945 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
I thought that the only people who doubted evolution were fundies from Alabama?
http://www.nature.com/...ders-to-creationist-demands-1.10773 Can thine heart endure, or can thine hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with thee? I the Lord have spoken it, and will do it. - Ezekial 22:14
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4423 Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Oh no, not at all. In fact, the Institute for Creation Research (ICR), who literally wrote the book of "creation science", was originally based in Southern California east of San Diego (just down the street from a stone carver who, I would assume, gave them good rates on millstones).
Obviously, "creation science" is a purely American product, the factors of whose creation do include American fundamentalist sects (your reference to Alabama), but also the history of the anti-evolution movement in the USA from the 1920's on, and the US court system that they need to circumvent and the US public they need to deceive. But there's no reason to assume that it nor the fundamentalist sects would remain isolated to the USA. Aggressive missionary work ensures that that won't be the case. The ICR's monthly newsletter, Acts & Facts, would always carry stories of their missionary efforts in several other countries to spread their "gospel" of "creation science." Plus, there are also Islamic creationists. Not of the same school as the ICR, I would assume, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have plagarized^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hresearched something from the ICR.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 1 days) Posts: 16112 Joined:
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As with (apparently) most of the things you think, this is not the case. Obviously mere geographical location doesn't prevent fundies from being wrong about evolution, otherwise you could cure 'em of it with a plane ticket. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4423 Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Just a follow-up to my post:
Huffington Post posted on 14 Jun 2012 the article, Creationists In South Korea Force Removal Of Evolution From High-School Textbooks. In that article: quote:
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Portillo Member (Idle past 2945 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
The official caricature of creationists is that it only exists in a small minority of fundies in the South and that it doesnt exist anywhere else in the world. Even though two of the biggest creation organisations, CMI and Answers in Genesis were started in Australia not USA. Can thine heart endure or can thine hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with thee? I the Lord have spoken it and will do it. - Ezekial 22:14
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 1 days) Posts: 16112 Joined:
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I wasn't aware that the Federal Bureau Of Satire And Caricature had agreed on an official standard.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4423 Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Yet again, "creation science" is a purely American product, born uniquely out of the religious, political, and judicial environment of the USA. From there it was exported to other countries.
If you want to try to make a case about fundamentalist Christian and creationist movements in other countries, then you also need to provide information about their formation and developmental histories.
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