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Author Topic:   should creationism be taught in schools?
dsv
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Message 2 of 301 (201276)
04-22-2005 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by whitlee
04-22-2005 6:29 PM


Considering this is the Creation versus Evolution forum, I'm willing to bet there are tons of excellent points on both sides of the argument to be found by searching. I imagine the Education and Creation/Evolution forum would be an excellent place to start.
FYI: If you're talking about state and federal funded public schools the answer is clearly NO.
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Message 24 of 301 (201945)
04-24-2005 9:14 PM
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04-24-2005 9:10 PM


Nope, not the same thing. In the US, Bible publishers do not receive public tax funds. They are private corporations and can print whatever they legally desire.
Organizations that have the right to object, damn, condemn, or whatever they like the scientific teachings. But our publicly funded schools have an obligation to teach that which can be observed, tested, modeled or experimented in science class not philosophy.

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Message 26 of 301 (201958)
04-24-2005 9:38 PM
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04-24-2005 9:18 PM


What the ID supporters don't seem to realize is that the separation is in place for them. They seem to be extremely and grossly short-sighted on the issue by assuming that Christianity is the only theological option that opposes evolution.
What would they prefer? Let's make churches fully federally funded and have a statement at the beginning of each sermon that explain that this is just one opinion and doesn't necessarily represent the opinion of the American people as a whole. Other options might be [all those religions listed in the above post].
Are there any prominent Christian ID leaders that are FIGHTING for separation of church and state among their ministries? If anyone knows of any I would appreciate some information and/or links, I have been curious for some time.

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dsv
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Message 29 of 301 (201970)
04-24-2005 10:12 PM
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04-24-2005 10:08 PM


I'm saying that they most definitely should not. The separation of church and state is to protect faith from political-fueled initiatives, it's unfortunate that the Christian organizations fighting for prayer and religion in public schools can't see that.

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Message 35 of 301 (202003)
04-24-2005 11:26 PM
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04-24-2005 11:19 PM


I know of AU.org but they're not a Christian organization and I doubt they get much funding help from Christians.
I'm all for organizations that promote it, I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU, my question is "Where are the Christians doing their part to protect it?" In my opinion they should be worried that there are large movements within their ministries that are bent on undermining the protection that separation awards them.

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Message 44 of 301 (202192)
04-25-2005 12:16 PM
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04-25-2005 11:41 AM


Re: My thoughts exactly.
Those are all excellent topics for 24.00 Problems of Philosophy or 24.03 Relativism, Reason, & Reality, but what should we be teaching in science class? At the core, science is a very specific observational study. I don't see any real purpose in relating it to theology in the class room.
If we apply that to every chapter of a high school biology textbook there would be footnotes for every other word regarding what various religions *feel* about it. I don't think it matters if they're used as tools to further solidify evolution, it's just not science in my opinion. I may be wrong.

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