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Author Topic:   should creationism be taught in schools?
ringo
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Message 115 of 301 (434785)
11-17-2007 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Beretta
11-17-2007 7:23 AM


Beretta writes:
There are billions of 'where are they all' missing links that falsify the theory of evolution.
One thing that should be taught in schools is basic logic. Missing links don't falsify a chain. It's the existing links that verify the chain.
Suppose you're digging in your garden and you dig up two rusty iron rings, linked together. A few feet away, you dig up another single ring. A few feet farther, you dig up two more linked rings. Do you conclude that the three finds are completely unrelated? Or do you conclude that they were once all linked together and some of the links have gone missing?
Creationism denies the clear-thinking solution in favour of the fuzzy-thinking solution. That isn't teaching, it's un-teaching.

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ringo
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Message 131 of 301 (434969)
11-18-2007 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Beretta
11-18-2007 1:48 AM


Re: Fuzzy logic
Beretta writes:
If you're a creationist you'd only conclude that all 3 died and were buried at different levels for different possible reasons -perhaps their bodies were washed there from somewhere else altogether and deposited at different levels but unlike the evolutionist you would certainly not conclude any kind of relationship between the humans and the orangutan.
You miss my point. The items aren't connected logically by their proximity. They're connected logically by their characteristics.
We conclude that the links belong to the same chain because the links are the same size, have the same chemical composition, show the same tool marks, etc. Similarly, we conclude that the bones are from related species because they have similar characteristics.
The question is: why would we logically conclude that similar structures are not related? Never mind humans and orangutans. Why would bats and whales have such similar bone structures in such different environments if they didn't have a common ancestor?
Creationism fails the one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-others test by claiming that nothing is like anything else. So creationism shouldn't be on Sesame Street or in the schools.
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ringo
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Message 203 of 301 (436010)
11-24-2007 3:27 AM
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11-24-2007 2:20 AM


Beretta writes:
Everybody has the same bare facts but we come to different conclusions -why can creationists and ID proponents acknowledge that their ideas are interpretations of the facts and yet evolutionists fail to notice when they are interpreting and insist on calling their interpretations facts?
You seem to be very confused about what "interpretation" means. When an evangelist like Billy Graham speaks through an interpreter, do you think different interpreters can have fundamentally different interpretations? The message is lost if the interpretation is wrong.
It makes no sense to teach children wrong interpretations.

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