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Author Topic:   should creationism be taught in schools?
bluegenes
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Message 137 of 301 (435136)
11-19-2007 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Beretta
11-19-2007 11:23 AM


Zero Evidence
Beretta writes:
You obviously have not read the literature, the model that has been proposed and the voluminous evidence in its favour. Perhaps you don't really want to know because there's plenty of it out there -how could you have missed it?
I've spent hours reading on creationist websites, and I've never come across a scrap of scientific evidence for creationism.
There's plenty of evidence of superstition and fantasy desires, though. Perhaps you're confusing the two.
On the subject of this thread, there's nothing in creationism to teach in school science classes. It would be exactly the same as teaching a flat earth view in geography classes.

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bluegenes
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Message 158 of 301 (435483)
11-21-2007 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Beretta
11-21-2007 1:37 AM


Re: Both?
Beretta writes:
I believe that we should teach evolution and ID to kids -not everyone's story -from there they can decide
Why should I.D. take priority over other creationist beliefs? Is there more evidence for it, and if so, what is that evidence?
Actually, there is no consensus I.D. theory amongst I.D. supporters. They cannot decide what the intelligent designer designs, and what he doesn't design, and they never will be able to. On one extreme, some have 99% of the story of life on earth being evolution, with the designer contributing soft touches, and on the other extreme, some want the designer to design each individual species. Then there's everything in between.
This is because there's no evidence of the designer designing anything, so anyone can make up what they want to. It's a matter of Faith.
Whether you know it or not, the reason you're not actually presenting any evidence for creationism/I.D. to back up your assertions is that there isn't any. These "theories" are not taught in biology for the same reason that the anatomy of the unicorn isn't taught. There's nothing to go on.

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bluegenes
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Message 183 of 301 (435757)
11-22-2007 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Beretta
11-22-2007 10:03 AM


Re: The logic of both fallacies?
Beretta writes:
Why aren't fish today developing little legs and attempting to get out of the water or do something new and interesting
Interesting? Like flying fish or mudskippers, you mean? Stuff like penguins' wings/flippers, or flying squirrels' arms/wings?
Here's a pretty fellow:
http://www.arkive.org/...s/GES/fish/Brachionichthys_hirsutus
No species is "attempting" to do anything, and all are in transition.
But on topic, to teach any of the many creation beliefs as science, evidence is required. You say that I.D. interpretations should be taught. Which ones? And on the basis of what evidence?

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bluegenes
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Message 297 of 301 (436675)
11-27-2007 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Beretta
11-27-2007 12:56 AM


Re: To be or not to be? That is the question
Beretta writes:
Organization requires intelligence (for example a cell). Information requires intelligence (for example DNA) - how random undirected processes even given millions of years could have produced such things requires fairy tales and wishful thinking of the highest order - in my humble opinion.
When supernaturalists start describing a naturalist view of nature as requiring "fairy tales" and "wishful thinking", I just have to laugh.
It's easy for some of us to understand how mutation and natural selection can lead to complexity. We require no magic fairy tales. But you seem to have an emotional desire for them.
Information requires intelligence
Meaning that all intelligent designers require designers?

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