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Author Topic:   What's the creationists thought on this?
crashfrog
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Message 10 of 136 (37601)
04-22-2003 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by booboocruise
04-22-2003 4:05 PM


Re: Dinosaurs
Honestly, if you had actual, irrefutable, empirical PROOF for evolution, Hovind would pay up.
Would he? I don't believe he has the money. 250,000 is a lot of money. And anyway, the fact that Hovind hasn't paid his prize doesn't mean there's no proof. He could just be a liar, for instance.
Anyway, he's making his wager with the full knowledge that science can never "prove" anything absolutely. The conclusions of science are always tentative. That's why science is able to create better theories in the face of new evidence. No religion I know keeps such an open mind.
Fossils, radiometric dating, and the geologic strata would not hold up in a court of law as PROOF for evolution--consider the OPEN-MINDED creationist to be the Jury that will decide whether or not substantial evidence exists for evolution.
In the face of things like the O.J. Simpson trial and other miscarriages of justice, do you really think a court of law is the place to test scientific reality? If so you must put a great deal of trust in lawyers as honest, truthful individuals.
If we evolved by chance, how would "evolution" know that we would be in need of a thumb millions of years down the road?
do you think that ancient man didn't use his thumbs? Why do you say "millions of years down the road"? When the fifth digit migrated down closer to our wrists it would have had immediate functionality. Thumbs are immediately useful for tool-using animals, as we are. Other animals (like pandas) that grasp things also have thumb-like protrusions. I've seen housecats with thumbs they can't use. (well, they look like thumbs to me.)
Better yet, since the only function you've postulated for the thumb is to use a keyboard: why do primates have thumbs? They don't have keyboards. Why did your god give them thumbs? (They have thumbs on their feet, too. Why don't we?)

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crashfrog
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Message 28 of 136 (38474)
04-30-2003 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by booboocruise
04-30-2003 4:18 PM


Re: Dinosaurs
I have a question for your global flood scenario:
If the flood was global, as you suggest, why then are there areas of the earth (i.e. the Canadian Shield) that have no sedimentary rock? There's certainly no evidence of erosion in that area.
The mere existence of at least one area that is pretty obviously never been flooded is enough to shoot down your global flood - unless you have an explanation why it didn't flood in Canada...

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crashfrog
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Message 30 of 136 (38478)
04-30-2003 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Minnemooseus
04-30-2003 7:01 PM


Oops
I think this statement is somewhere between being a gross oversimplification and being totally in error (and also way off the dubious topic).
The Canadian Shield is just like the rest of the world, in that there are no "great flood" deposits. But there certainly are sedimentary rocks, and there certainly is much evidence of much erosion having taken place.
Sorry, my mistake. Clearly I misunderstood when I first heard about the Canadian Shield, and exaggerated in my exuberance. I'm certainly no geologist.
Maybe somebody could open a thread in a more appropriate forum? I'd do it but I'd probably just embarass myself again.
Thanks for the info, MM. This is the second time you've had to instruct me as to scientific matters in and around my own state.

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