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Author Topic:   Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Part II.
dpardo
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Message 19 of 306 (166711)
12-09-2004 8:42 PM


Gary writes:
I have a question. The oldest bristlecone pine tree was 4,900 years old. How can we find out that the Earth is 8,000 years old minimum from this fact?
Can someone, with knowledge of the subject preferably, explain the answer to this question to me in layman's terms?

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dpardo
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Message 21 of 306 (166752)
12-09-2004 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by NosyNed
12-09-2004 9:11 PM


Re: tree ring dating
Thank you for your help NosyNed.
I will do a little research on my own and with the information you gave me.

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Message 24 of 306 (166770)
12-09-2004 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by NosyNed
12-09-2004 9:11 PM


Re: tree ring dating
From the University of Arizona website:
Ring-Growth Anomalies
Question: If one tree ring is grown each year ("annual rings"), why not just count the rings?
Answer: Ring growth is not always annual:
Occasionally, a ring isn't grown during a year -- called "locally absent" or "missing" for that year
Occasionally, more than one ring is grown during a year -- called "false" for that year
Can someone please explain to me how the these phenomena are dealt with when dating a tree?
If possible, can someone address how these issues were dealt with concerning the dating of the 4900 year old bristlecone pine tree referenced in Message 16?

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dpardo
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Message 25 of 306 (166771)
12-09-2004 10:36 PM


I have to go off-line now but I will be back later on or tomorrow.
Thanks to all for your help!

dpardo
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Message 32 of 306 (166816)
12-10-2004 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by NosyNed
12-09-2004 10:39 PM


Re: False rings
NosyNed writes:
These effects are local and species dependent (even individual tree dependent, I think).
By "species dependent" do you mean that certain species do not exhibit the phenomena I inquired about?

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dpardo
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Message 146 of 306 (169536)
12-17-2004 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by JonF
12-17-2004 4:07 PM


Are you actually quoting someone here?
In case you forgot, respect is the rule around here.

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dpardo
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Message 151 of 306 (169550)
12-17-2004 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
12-05-2004 3:42 PM


RAZD writes:
8,000 years by annual tree rings from Bristlecone pine in California.
RAZD,
If we assume, for the purpose of investigation, that when God created the first trees they were created with tree rings already in place, how, if at all, would this affect your calculations of the minimum age of the earth by Bristlecone Pines?
Please also temporarily ignore any errors that my have been due to false rings because, according to the Yale.edu Yale Forestry School:
Fortunately, with proper training false rings can usually be identified.

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dpardo
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Message 153 of 306 (169554)
12-17-2004 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by NosyNed
12-17-2004 6:10 PM


Re: Respect
NosyNed writes:
True enough, however sometimes patience wears thin.
So is respect the rule except when patience wears thin?

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dpardo
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Message 155 of 306 (169568)
12-17-2004 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by NosyNed
12-17-2004 6:26 PM


NosyNed writes:
would have to be added in front of everything said. Since there would be no way to tell this from the age being "real" we could then either drop it as assumed and/or conclude that God is actually Loki the norse god of tricker and deceit.
This particular approach is generally decried as very poor theology indeed.
What age were Adam and Eve when God created them?
Are you saying that the first trees didn't have rings?

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dpardo
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Message 158 of 306 (169574)
12-17-2004 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by NosyNed
12-17-2004 6:26 PM


Re: Affect of built in age
NosyNed writes:
"...conclude that God is actually Loki the norse god of tricker and deceit."
Actually, the only ones that would be tricked and be victims of deceit in this scenario would be anyone who tried to use dating systems that didn't take this into account. (Assuming, of course, that those things are true.)

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