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johnfolton 
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Message 31 of 62 (483542)
09-23-2008 2:16 AM
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09-23-2008 12:42 AM


This implies that hundreds of millions of years of radioactive decay (at today's rates) had to have occurred in a matter of a few days, melting the earth and vaporizing most of it
If accelerated decay is caused by the photon with the genesis canopy crashing down on the earth would of had thousands of years of photon absorbtion. right? However water absorbs heat and creates water vapor which rises and returns as rain. Ice vaporizes in the vacuum of space above the atmosphere and water and steam too vaporizes in a vaccum so heat escapes to space. The heat problem solved. right?
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Message 32 of 62 (483543)
09-23-2008 3:05 AM
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09-23-2008 2:16 AM


Re:
johnfolton writes:
If accelerated decay is caused by the photon with the genesis canopy crashing down on the earth would of had thousands of years of photon absorbtion. right? However water absorbs heat and creates water vapor which rises and returns as rain. Ice vaporizes in the vacuum of space above the atmosphere and water and steam too vaporizes in a vaccum so heat escapes to space. The heat problem solved. right?
First of all, could you point to where it says in the bible that the earth had a water canopy?
Second, how did it remain up there?
Third, this would not block photons.
Fourth, this does NOT solve your heating problem.

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Message 33 of 62 (483552)
09-23-2008 7:13 AM
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If accelerated decay is caused by the photon
Fail. Already.

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Message 34 of 62 (483556)
09-23-2008 7:45 AM
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09-23-2008 1:44 AM


Re: Polonium and Bolonium still
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Message 35 of 62 (483609)
09-23-2008 1:48 PM
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Re: Primordial Polonium
A small discontinuity pocket that has 100 times the volume of the neighboring part of a crack or fissure or crystal face will, over time, have 100 times the concentration of the radon than those other areas. The radon keeps forming, disbursing and decaying.
If you have a pocket of radon gas it has to be spot on. right? A pocket of mobile gases can never be right on in a crack and close only gets you a smudged image of polonium. right? If its not close to the previous polonium image it gives no image until the image is reinforced by previous alphas that that decayed from a positively grounded location in the center of the halo. Is not this why Gentry point of primordial valid? and why you don't see radon halo's? If this is in fact the case then its evidence toward young earthdom!
You still have no mechanism worth wasting bandwidth on for changing the rate of decay, all you have is bogus information from people that lie.
You mean your sources well all it appears they can do is but provide misinformation that radon could be center of halos the instant polonium decays which is of course baloney! right? If not in the exact center over time the halo would be smudged? Gentry has asked the Academy of Sciences to refute these points that they have not in over 15 years and all you have is radon gas might well be the people lying are those misrepresenting radon and long periods of time because the only alternative is the truth that its an "Young Earth". right?
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Message 36 of 62 (483612)
09-23-2008 2:06 PM
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Re:
First of all, could you point to where it says in the bible that the earth had a water canopy?
akjv genesis 1:7 The open firmament is the area just below the water above and above the waters below. akjv 1:20 the open firmament is the area the fowl flew.
Second, how did it remain up there?
Likely water ionizes and due the magnetic field as well in space there is a vacuum and even ice vaporizes not just water in a vacuum such as exists above the atmosphere.
Third, this would not block photons.
It would not block photons but absorb photons. Presently the atmosphere today shields us from gamma radiations photons. right?
Fourth, this does NOT solve your heating problem.
Why not? heat rises but agree this water canopy before it came crashing down would of tended to trap heat much like a greenhouse slowing the escape of heat to space. Which is why you have tropical plant fossils showing they thrived under the north pole thousands not millions of years ago.
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Message 37 of 62 (483621)
09-23-2008 2:54 PM
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09-23-2008 2:06 PM


Re:
Likely water ionizes and due the magnetic field as well in space there is a vacuum and even ice vaporizes not just water in a vacuum such as exists above the atmosphere.
English words, but they don't all go together. WTF are you even trying to get at here, whatevergolferjohnfolton?

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Message 38 of 62 (483642)
09-23-2008 4:04 PM
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09-23-2008 2:54 PM


Re: photons accelerated decay possibilities!
JF said: Likely water ionizes and due the magnetic field as well in space there is a vacuum and even ice vaporizes not just water in a vacuum such as exists above the atmosphere.
Coragyps said: English words, but they don't all go together. WTF are you even trying to get at here, whatevergolferjohnfolton?
Because Titan’s atmosphere is almost entirely nitrogen, scientists anticipated they would find an abundance of nitrogen ions scattered throughout Saturn’s magnetosphere. That, in fact, is not the case; nitrogen ions are found to be comparatively rare. Instead, the magnetosphere is dominated by plasma composed almost entirely of ionized water and water products, including O+, OH+, H2O+ and H3O+. The source of the water group ions is now seen to be almost entirely coming from the venting of Enceladus. One unusual aspect of the relative abundances of the water group ions is that they are similar to those found in cometary comas observed near 1 astronomical unit (1 AU equals the distance from Earth to the sun). Most of the ionization near 1 AU comes from solar ultraviolet (UV) photons, whereas at Saturn, located at 9.5 AU, the source of ionization has to be the rotating plasma itself, not solar UV. Why the two very different source situations produce similar results is under investigation.
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Note: In respect to the ionization near 1AU the distance from the sun to the earth comes from solar ultraviolet (UV) photons. Is not that interesting in respect to the possiblility of photons ability to be absorbed into the nucleus and the suns photons being shielded by the atmosphere. Is the photons being absorbed by the water molecules electron shield or inside the nuleus to form these various ionizations? Like the flood the rate boys believe in the water canopy. right? So photons charging the waters of the canopy would it transfer photons to the sediments on the surface of the earth under water pressure be causing an rapid accelerating of decay rates? Whatever appears polonium not primordial appears Andrew Snelling is onto something that his discovery of polonium halo's is evidence of accelerating decay did in fact happen during the biblical flood. right? He has evidence accelerated decay happened but apparently not how it happened. right?
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Message 39 of 62 (483663)
09-23-2008 5:36 PM
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09-23-2008 2:06 PM


Re:
johnfolton writes:
akjv genesis 1:7 The open firmament is the area just below the water above and above the waters below. akjv 1:20 the open firmament is the area the fowl flew.
Well. let's have a look shall we:
Genesis 1:7
quote:
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Mentions no canopy, it mentions waters above the firmament. This could easily mean Pluto, or Europa (Jupiter's moon) or comets, they're made up out of mostly ice, which is water. So, no canopy of water there. Try again.
Likely water ionizes and due the magnetic field as well in space there is a vacuum and even ice vaporizes not just water in a vacuum such as exists above the atmosphere.
I don't know what exactly you're on about here, but let me tell you that there is no way known to science to suspend water over the planet, so unless you want to win the nobel prize and come up with that way, I think you shouldn't mention it anymore.
It would not block photons but absorb photons. Presently the atmosphere today shields us from gamma radiations photons. right?
Even if you would be able to absorb enough photons in the water, they would still not explain the rapid decay rate, as, as said before by RAZD, photons don NOT change the RATE of decay.
Why not? heat rises but agree this water canopy before it came crashing down would of tended to trap heat much like a greenhouse slowing the escape of heat to space. Which is why you have tropical plant fossils showing they thrived under the north pole thousands not millions of years ago.
Why not? WHY NOT? because the water would've been cooked instantly, and evaporated, and it would still leave enough heat to boil the earth.
As for your "plants on the north pole" bit, there never were ANY plants at the north pole, there's no land there on which they could possibly grow.

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Message 40 of 62 (483711)
09-23-2008 8:46 PM
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Re:
Huntard,
I don't know what exactly you're on about here, but let me tell you that there is no way known to science to suspend water over the planet, so unless you want to win the nobel prize and come up with that way, I think you shouldn't mention it anymore.
Why because the bible says there was once a water canopy? The first verse says in the beginning God created our worlds heaven which is the atmosphere and our worlds earth which is the dry land. right?
The canopy is part of our worlds first created atmosphere for all I know God might of siphoned the water from the moon by the gravity of the earth(like where did the waters of the moon go). Did the water canopy that the RATE TEAM believe existed happen like the venting of Enceladus water transference to Titans magnetosphere? The bible just says the waters above and the waters below and between was where the fowl flew, etc... right? They say the earths magnetic field was greater in the past and titans magnetosphere plasma when it was analyzed consisted entirely of ionized water and water products, including O+, OH+, H2O+ and H3O+. different forms of ionized water. right?
How do you explain tropical life that once was thriving over the north pole without a water canopy? The creationists have the answer for where all that water for the flood came from the windows of heaven and the fountains of the deep and that before the flood tropical plants thrived over the north pole, etc...
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In today's oceans, certain species of microscopic plants are known to rapidly multiply and create algal blooms. Dickens said that fossils of these plants - known only to originate in the tropics before the PETM - are commonly seen in the ACEX cores.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2006/08/060809233030.htm
Why not? WHY NOT? because the water would've been cooked instantly, and evaporated, and it would still leave enough heat to boil the earth.
Nope, don't buy it even steam when it runs into a vacuum the heat is lost to space and the water vapor with a dust particle returns as rain.
As you go up higher in the atmosphere it gets quite cold and an hot molecule has more space thus add a vacuum even ice vaporizes via sublimation. right? On the darkside of the earth it gets really really cold. right? yet the water molecule stays vaporized. right?
P.S. I fully agree the bible says God is going to torch the earth at some point in time and it might have something to do with water because the seas will be no more. right? I enjoyed chatting but this is way off topic (I was just answering Coyote but he seems to of left the building) if you enjoy this kind of stuff you might checkout an online book by Walt Brown In the beginning. Your steering discussion away from accelerated decay. The topic focus is about what the RATE BOYS are up to, etc.... We all know what science says and does not say, and why they don't say it is due it only comes up being an young earth. right? If you have any scientific evidence that photons are unable to enter the nucleus that would be of interest! etc/// because that maybe on topic in respect to accelerated decay!
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Message 41 of 62 (483712)
09-23-2008 9:06 PM
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Re:
Nope, don't buy it even steam when it runs into a vacuum vaporizes the heat is lost to space and the water returns as rain.
Steam is, by definition, already vaporized. When it hit a vacuum, it expands. It doesn't condense. It expands. No rain results.
This is junior-high level stuff here, john. I'm aware you're not up to that level yet, but you could at least try.

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Message 42 of 62 (483714)
09-23-2008 9:16 PM
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Re:
Coragyps,
I knew when I said that I was going to spin that thought in a different direction but forgot. Good point! I corrected it, etc...
JF
P.S. Is it all kind of like ice vaporizing bypassing the liquid phase, etc... Like last winter seemed like more snow vaporized than melted towards spring because my backyard which normally was undrivable well into June was drivable in spite of world record amounts of snow fall breaking records going back over a century.
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Sublimation is the conversion between the solid and the gaseous phases of matter, with no intermediate liquid stage. For those of us interested in the water cycle, sublimation is most often used to describe the process of snow and ice changing into water vapor in the air without first melting into water.
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Message 43 of 62 (483719)
09-23-2008 9:39 PM
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Suspensions coming again
JF (aka a lot of things) if you continue with the made up nonsense you will be suspended again. It will quickly become lenghty.

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Message 44 of 62 (483781)
09-24-2008 7:45 AM
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Re: Primordial Polonium
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Message 45 of 62 (483808)
09-24-2008 10:13 AM
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Re:
johnfolton writes:
Why because the bible says there was once a water canopy?
Alright, here's the quote again:
quote:
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Like I said before nowhere in the bible does it say "and the earth was made with a water canopy" or something to that nature, it talks about waters above the firmament, nowhere is it made clear this can only mean a canopy, like I said, Pluto, Europa and comets are mostly made up out of water. It could be talking about them.
The canopy is part of our worlds first created atmosphere for all I know God might of siphoned the water from the moon by the gravity of the earth(like where did the waters of the moon go).
The Moon NEVER had ANY water. Even if it did, there's no way Earth's gravity would've pulled it off there, nor is there a reason it would then be suspended between the Moon and the Earth if it did.
How do you explain tropical life that once was thriving over the north pole without a water canopy?[...]In today's oceans, certain species of microscopic plants are known to rapidly multiply and create algal blooms. Dickens said that fossils of these plants - known only to originate in the tropics before the PETM - are commonly seen in the ACEX cores.
Well, in the article you linked to it is explained in the very first paragraph, it is due to Greenhouse gasses. Furthermore it talks about this period being 55 million years ago, thanks for refuting your ow point.
The creationists have the answer for where all that water for the flood came from the windows of heaven and the fountains of the deep and that before the flood tropical plants thrived over the north pole, etc...
They're doing a pretty good job on hiding it then.

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