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JonF
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Message 16 of 19 (48582)
08-04-2003 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Joe T
04-24-2003 5:33 PM


Re: SNRs and admitting defeat
A couple of links that expand on the errors in booboo's claim:
Missing Supernova Remnants as Evidence of a Young Universe? A Case of Fabrication
Supernovae, Supernova Remnants and Young Earth Creationism FAQ
Quoting from the first link:
"As for the supernova remnants, Keith Davies (self taught astronomer; his degree is in education) assumes that supernova remnants (SNR) should be visible for millions of years (wrong), that we see all or most of the ones it is possible to see (wrong again), and so derives from these very bad assumptions a very large number of SNRs in various states that we "should see" but don't."
"Obviously, Davies never went SNR hunting in a galactic environment, but I have. For one thing, an SNR becomes essentially invisible, even in a non-crowded environment, within 1,000,000 year tops, maybe less, depending on the specifics of the supernova and environment. But in practice they become essentially invisible long before."
"The galaxy is full of distracting clutter, and full of stuff that looks just like a SNR but isn't. We don't know exactly what a SNR looks like, and we never know were the SNR are a-priori. So when you go looking for SNR you will in practice see only a fraction (maybe a small fraction) of those that can possibly be seen, because you are in essence doing a blind search in a cluttered and confused environment. So Davies' ideas of how many SNR there should be, and how many of them we should see are both vast overestimates of reality."
"Feel free to repost, spread around, whatever."
"Tim Thompson
NASA/JPL Terrestrial Science Research element
Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer.
Atmospheric Corrections Team - Scientific Programmer."

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PaulK
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Message 17 of 19 (48596)
08-04-2003 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Agent Uranium [GPC]
08-04-2003 9:43 AM


Basically the difference between your arguments is that yours is a semantic game (it plays with the meaning of "45") Whill Booboo's is a mathematical game (it plays with the fact that infinity is not a number and you can't do ordinary arithmetic algebra with it).

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Agent Uranium [GPC]
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Message 18 of 19 (48661)
08-04-2003 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by PaulK
08-04-2003 11:08 AM


Ahhh...
I see.

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DC85
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Message 19 of 19 (49292)
08-07-2003 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by booboocruise
04-14-2003 6:13 AM


Its clear you aren't going to reply even if you do read this.
although this is not going to be my field(biology and Paleontology are) I have taken astronomy courses.(and watched the science channel ) and I can say . YOU have no Idea what you are talking about! this Junk is almost as bad as this "if we evolved from Apes then how come there are still apes?". You are making stupid claims that anyone who has taken an astronomy course should know the truth to. Even if you watched the Science channel only you would know better!
As for your Lawsuit against Schools . it won't stand up in any court.
Also if your so worried in High school simply tell them not to take biology(evolution is not covered before because of Idiots like you). However I think you are wrong to deny the them the chance to make up there own minds. Are you afraid they will side with us? will you love them any less? the point is there is no proof your God exists. and not a darn thing points to creation. everything in the fossil record points to an old earth and evolution.everything we know about the universe says its older then 9000 years(when to be a bible believer it would need to be 6000). As for your claim that the Universe couldn't have always been here. why is it a God can be infinite but not the universe itself?

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